Push Button 4x4 question
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Okay, forgive me here, im about to ask a dumb question. What is the PTO plate? Last time I used the term was for a pto was a switch on a dump truck we were using. Should I look for a particular bulge on actual "plate" on the right/left side? Ive delt plenty with the tech specs on my auto trans but the manual trans specs will be new for me. Thanks for humoring me guys!
You can see the plate in his picture. It is in line with the cross member on the left side of the transmission.
PTO (Power Takeoff) is the same thing youre referring to, except that switch is what activated it.
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No problem. Yes, same plate. If you look in the picture That I re-posted,the cross member, and wiring harness appear through the middle of the plate. It's that big flat plate with the bolts top and bottom.
ZF transmission has a PTO plate on both sides. No other 5 speed transmission has the PTO plates on it
ZF transmission has a PTO plate on both sides. No other 5 speed transmission has the PTO plates on it
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Wow Great Amount Of Information There. Thank You. Only difference would be mine being a 4r70w vs e4od. Tricking The computer should be the same with the jumper wires on my 4r70w, correct? Did you swap over the manual computer or did the jumpers you had in the harness keep the check engine light off? Also I take it that the jumpers you installed into the harness to tell the computer it was in neutral were so you could engage 4L?
thanks!
thanks!
I did swap to a manual transmission computer. It was actually pretty difficult in my situation as Ford never offered the F150 with 351 and manual transmission. I ended up finding an F250/350 computer to work. I swapped to the manual ECM to make it as "factory correct" as possible and so I would gain various idle qualities that are specific to a manual transmission truck. Regardless, in your situation I don't *think* you will have a check engine light for a missing transmission if you keep the stock computer. I have read mixed reports though.
Yes the jumper (not plural, the other jumper was factory installed in the harness I scavenged from a manual truck) I installed was to trick the ESOF module (not the main ECM) into thinking the transmission was in neutral. That connector picture above is located on the drivers side fenderwell roughly below the brake master cylinder.
I also did some other wiring into the cab to meet with the newly added clutch position switch. I had to add a wire from the C202 bulkhead connector on the firewall back to a pin on the ECM connector so the ECM would know when I have pushed in the clutch (for idle adjustments and idle hang when shifting gears). Had to pull all those wires just to get to and add one wire!
I would look at this thread for more info on the wiring side of the swap.
E4OD -> M5OD computer question - FSB Forums
Hey kawamatt2, I forgot to ask, what model manual did you swap in, m5od-r2? Ive read a couple articles that left me puzzled on the internal/external slave cylinder deal. Do I need to look for any particular transmission that will make the switchover easier when im ready for the swap? thanks !
You can look at my pictures at this link for pictures of when I rebuilt the ZF and installed it.
Manual Photos by kawamatt2 | Photobucket
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