Hey all I am in need of some help with identification. While I love my truck and could careless about specifics. I could really use them when buying parts ;D haha. I've been trying to figure it out for a while now and still no dice. So I'll try not to be too much of a noob.

I still cant tell what year and what engine I have, I'll give you what I got so far.

It was sold to me as a 1969' F100 w/o a title. It is Bahama Blue Custom.

On the outside it has a 1970's grille, But I also have the "original" from the previous owner which is plastic and looks like the 1971 version. It does have the side marker lights and the holes for the one on the back. (its gone). It does have the 70s FORD lettering and large mirrors.
So With all that I would be pretty convinced it is a 1970 and possible at 71.
The Transmission is a C4

Now Looking at the door jam is where I get more confused. It was Built in Canada and its consecutive unit no. is E3121. Which I could not find.

It states a Y as which would be a 360. Clearly (at least to me) the engine is not a 360 but certainly has enough rusty iron and grime (except for the Intake manifold) to make me believe it's the original one with the truck. The Engine tag is no where to be found. The Valve Covers have 6 bolts (if I remember correctly, Ill check again). It looks like it has a newer* (less grime) 289 Intake with an open carborator and an after market distributor that is in an awkward spot its not flush and kind of gets in the way. I haven't been able to find any other type of identification on the engine but I'll keep looking. Maybe I'm not looking hard enough but it is extremely.... oxidized? The trucks was sitting in a barn for awhile before I got it.

I have been to the Ford Dealership and even the 50 year old more experienced gentleman there couldn't figure it out and neither can anyone who's been working on it with me. I've been told 302 But I am still not so sure anymore.

I haven't had the time to take the engine apart yet. I was driving it about 100 miles a week for 4 months or so but the intake manifold gasket died on me and instead of messing with it anymore with it I am just letting it sit till I can get it in the shop and get my rebuild kit because it is in a serious need of a rebuild. For sitting in a barn the thing ran like a champ.


Any other ways to maybe figure it out the whole engine and year? I could add some pictures. To me it honestly looks like it was a in between production years and a bunch of parts were just thrown together and viola ! a truck or someone was tinkering around with various parts.

 

Post some pics and let us take a crack to de-Lucifer the "Bermuda Blue Triangle Oval"... get it??

 

I can tell you if it is the original engine it is a 302. The c4 tranny and Performer 289 intake tell me that. If it's a transplant it could be a 260,289, or 302. 351w's took a wider small block intake.

 

You can't tell by the grille either. The 67-72 grilles will all bolt on the same. After 43 years you never know what could be original and what's not. Even looking at the information on the door may not be correct. The door could've been swapped out and the original plate could be missing. When people swapped out doors, they seldom put the right ID. tag back on. Get the VIN number from the frame, Passenger side top of frame look around the motor mount area forward and back. You might need a wire brush to clean areas so you can get the number.
Once you have that number post it on here, At least then you'll know what the frame started out as.
Post some pictures of all you can, that will help in identifying what you vs. what you should have.

 

Btw, it's hit and miss with the front frame stamp... my 73 doesn't have one... The best I have deduced that it's a 73 2WD cab on what otherwise is a 74 4x4 . Close enough for me!

 

What is the VIN off of the warranty sticker under the driver door striker bolt? The cab might not have been changed and the sticker should still be readable.

 

I'll try and get some pictures up by tomorrow night when its day light out again.

 

The tag was on the door not cab, at least through 72 going by the O.P. statement "Any other ways to maybe figure it out the whole engine and year? I could add some pictures. To me it honestly looks like it was a in between production years and a bunch of parts were just thrown together and viola ! a truck or someone was tinkering around with various parts." is the reason I wanted him to get the VIN from the frame. The door or doors could've been swapped out, a lot of things could be different. Need pictures of what's there and VIN to know what should be there.

 

IIRC from ND, Ford started the warranty sticker in 70. My 70 crew has one right under the striker on the cab, and so does my 76 crew. It would be an easy check to see if the cab matches the frame. It is a lot harder to swap a cab than doors and bed so it could be original.

 

Pic over load!!!!
Here Is the first Picture of the outside. Yea I know shes leaking and has a bad tire.... I gotta say IMO I really hate how these wheel set up looks on this truck, It looks stupid to me. I want it to look classy. I am hoping income tax time I can go back to the stock look. Money is hard to come by so I am trying to get another job so I can put more money into it.

P.S. This is really silly and probably catch me some flaq. But MikeDelta is actually the female type. The Name is from a joke and I use the same name from another board so I figured I use it here.

Here is the second set of pictures.

 

Here's the best I can decipher. I'm new to giving information from the tag. The first part is easy enough, it's the rest (second line) that I'm not sure about.
If I'm wrong I'm sure others will point it out.
F10YCE53121
F10 = F100
Y = 360 CID 8CYL
C = ONTARIO CANADA
E53121 = AUG 1969

131 = LONG BED
6 = Acapulco Blue Metallic
F100 = 5000 GVW
4 = Stylside Pickup
81 = ??
C = 3 Speed light Duty
17 = 3.25 Rear Ratio

 

If that were the case then the engine must of been swapped? please correct me if I'm wrong, but I didn't think you could put a 289 intake on the 360 due to differences in size.

 

The 289/302/351W are of the Windsor engine architecture and totally different from the typical 352/360/390 FE-engine series. You've got a small block .. 289 likely but not impossible that it's a 302 either. Go with the flow.

Trippin' that it has an HEI, a GM-design distributor where the coil is part of the cap.

Date-coding... Ford stamped and cast parts with letters designating the decade and a number indicating the year it was engineered (not necessarily when it was made)......

C = 1960s, D=1970s, E=1980s, and so on. A D5TA would mean 1975 and the T is for truck.

With very few exceptions in Fords, there is no such thing as "numbers matching" for run-of-the-mill vehicles. Some cars, ala Shelby Mustangs and K-Code (Hi-Po 289s) received VIN stamps. That means the closet you'll get is "period correct" for the era and application of the part. Therefore, a model year 1969 truck would not have parts labeled or stamped with D0xx (1970) or newer but it could have C9, C8, C7 or earlier engineered parts.

 

1963/79: Metal Warranty Plate riveted to the left door face below the latch.

Beginning 1970 .. Safety Standard Certification Label glued to the B pillar below the striker plate.

Label is actually 2 ply, composed of a clear outer layer, inner layer has the production date, VIN printed on it and that's about it thru 1972.

The problem was, the label got wet, the clear outer layer peeled off, taking some/all of the inner layer codes along with it.

After lookin' at the pics, something smells and it ain't hay, so...

Compare the VIN stamped on the Warranty Plate to the VIN on the registration/title, to the hidden frame VIN to see if they all match.

People replaced damaged left doors with used doors. 99.9% of the time, they failed to install the original Warranty Plates on the replaced doors.

If the VIN's do not match, none of the following decode info is correct for your truck.

F10 = F100 2WD

Y = 360 2V

C = Oakville, Ontario Canada Truck Assembly Plant.

E53121 = 1969. 1969 F100/700 serial number range: D82,001-G30,000.

131" wheelbase (does not decode to "back of cab equipment" aka pickup beds).

6 = Pebble aka Light Beige. Acapulco Blue Metallic is not listed for 1969 Trucks/Bronco/Econoline / 6 = 1969 Mustang Medium Blue Metallic.

F100 2WD, 5,000 lbs. GVWR

C = Ford type 3.03 3 Speed Manual all Syncromesh Transmission.

4 81: 4 = Charcoal Black Corinthian Vinyl & Charcoal Black Woven Thong Vinyl / 81 = 81A Standard Cab. Custom nameplate introduced in 1970.

17 = Ford 9" Rear Axle / 3.25-1 / No Limited Slip / 3,300 lbs. Rear Axle Capacity.

5,000 lbs. Gross Vehicle Weight Rating.

175 net HP @ 4,000 RPM

64 = New Orleans LA Ford District Sales Office, where the original selling dealer ordered the truck from.

289's were not installed in trucks, only installed in 1963/68 Ford/Merc Passenger Cars, 1965/68 Ranchero's, 1966/68 Bronco's.

302 introduced mid-year 1968 in Ford/Merc Passenger Cars/Ranchero's, introduced in 1969 F100 & Bronco, which use VIN engine code G

Age has nothing to do with it. If you or the 50 year old gentleman or anyone else had the 1964/72 Ford Truck Parts Catalog .. coulda decoded all this jazz correctly in less than 3 minutes!

 

The vin on the non title is the same. Ill pester around the truck some more. I have the sticker on the cab in the door jam but theres only 2 numbers on there the rest looks like its been peeled. I am fairly confident the the bed is not originally blue or was at the very least repainted blue. Because it has a linex bed and theres blue over spray on the bed. The hood on the other hand looks more original. The level of deterioation is very different between the rest of the truck and the. Hood. The whole truck has some rust but the clear coat is in great shape except for the hood its exceptionally faded and the clear coat is peeling and does not match the rest. I thought maybe it was deteroriated from heat from the engine but i simple dont know its really bad. Ill keep tinkering with it when I get home today.