Notices
Pre-Power Stroke Diesel (7.3L IDI & 6.9L) Diesel Topics Only

Starting problems......

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Jul 28, 2013 | 06:58 PM
  #1  
Ace_of_Spades's Avatar
Ace_of_Spades
Thread Starter
|
New User
Joined: May 2007
Posts: 24
Likes: 0
Starting problems......

O.k. After talking to a local diesel guy, he told me he was pretty darn sure my injection pump was at fault for my truck not starting. So I went and bought one and replaced it. *sigh*

Here's where the problems began. After I bought the truck (around Sept. 11, 2001), I noticed it got harder and harder to start as time went on. I've never changed anything like the ignition pump or any of the settings except the FIPL sensor, and that didn't change anything after the install. I've replaced the injection tubing twice now, the last time just recently, including all the hoses, o-rings, and copper washers under the injectors. I've also replaced the glow plugs, glow plug relay, starter, positive battery cable, and a few other misc. things I can't think of at the moment (the aforementioned injection pump as well).

The real trouble all started one day when I went out to use the truck (it never got constant usage by any means, just on weekends or dump run days) and it would not start at all. I cranked and cranked giving it plenty of time between cranks to cool down. After looking things over, this diesel guy I talked to at a local parts store (customer, not an employee, but a diesel mechanic otherwise) said that it sounded like my injection pump/pump timing might need to be checked. I tried to set static timing but that didn't change anything. Although, through this whole process I did manage to get it to spit and sputter like it was going to start. After the install of the new IP, nothing has changed. It still spits and sputters like it's just about to start but never actually gets going, just acts like it is. The static timing is set to the top timing mark on the drive gear housing. There are other timing marks there but the one on top is the one I'm going with. Nothing is different or has changed since the removal of the other IP. I have fuel squirting out at each injector head with each individual fuel line connector cracked while cranking over the engine, tightening each one as I check them, working my way from the front of the motor to the furthest away from the pump as I go. I'm at a loss for things to check now as I'm still learning about the 7.3L IDI. What could be my problem?

Btw, my truck is an '89 F-250 4x4 if you needed to know. Thanks!
 
Reply
Old Jul 28, 2013 | 08:52 PM
  #2  
Macrobb's Avatar
Macrobb
Postmaster
Joined: Dec 2011
Posts: 3,860
Likes: 7
Disconnect the GPs, throw in some ether(just a little bit, no need for a lot). See if that'll get it running.
I'm wondering if your engine's just worn, and not making the compression it used to... which would result in hard starts, especially cold, until you get to the point of /no/ start when cold.
 
Reply
Old Jul 28, 2013 | 11:21 PM
  #3  
finitetime's Avatar
finitetime
Senior User
Joined: Jun 2010
Posts: 406
Likes: 0
From: NW Ga
Did you take the housing and big gear the injector pump is bolted to off with the pump? If so did you take steps to make sure the gear goes back on in the same position.
 
Reply
Old Jul 28, 2013 | 11:23 PM
  #4  
finitetime's Avatar
finitetime
Senior User
Joined: Jun 2010
Posts: 406
Likes: 0
From: NW Ga
Those timing marks are useless. The ones on the pump were put there for a different engine and the ones on your timing gear housing are for your old pump.
 
Reply
Old Jul 28, 2013 | 11:48 PM
  #5  
Ace_of_Spades's Avatar
Ace_of_Spades
Thread Starter
|
New User
Joined: May 2007
Posts: 24
Likes: 0
Originally Posted by finitetime
Did you take the housing and big gear the injector pump is bolted to off with the pump? If so did you take steps to make sure the gear goes back on in the same position.
No, I did not remove it. Just took the IP out from the back of the gear.
 
Reply
Old Jul 29, 2013 | 07:03 AM
  #6  
bashby's Avatar
bashby
Post Fiend
Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 7,437
Likes: 4
From: Charles Town, W bygod Va
Are you getting white smoke from the tailpipe while cranking?

It also may not be cranking fast enough. See post #8 here:
https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1...ing-speed.html
 
Reply
Old Aug 4, 2013 | 08:05 PM
  #7  
Ace_of_Spades's Avatar
Ace_of_Spades
Thread Starter
|
New User
Joined: May 2007
Posts: 24
Likes: 0
Originally Posted by bashby
Are you getting white smoke from the tailpipe while cranking?

It also may not be cranking fast enough. See post #8 here:
https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1...ing-speed.html
No smoke of any kind coming out of the tailpipe at the moment. I did have some smoke coming out of the pipe when it did run while turning it over I think (this was awhile ago so my memory is not so good on it) and it was white smoke. Also had a good amount after it would actually start up as well. Black smoke I think.

Would smoke coming out the tailpipe while cranking indicate bad valves and unburned fuel getting past, or something of that nature? Or something similar?
 
Reply
Old Aug 5, 2013 | 06:36 AM
  #8  
bashby's Avatar
bashby
Post Fiend
Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 7,437
Likes: 4
From: Charles Town, W bygod Va
White smoke while cranking is vaporized fuel. No smoke while cranking means you are not getting fuel.
 
Reply
FTE Stories

Ford Trucks for Ford Truck Enthusiasts

story-0

Top 10 Ford Truck Tragedies

 Joe Kucinski
story-1

AEV FXL Super Duty - the Super Duty Raptor Ford Doesn't Make

 Brett Foote
story-2

Lobo Vs Lobo: Proof the F-150 Lobo Should Be Even Lower!

 Michael S. Palmer
story-3

Ford's 2001 Explorer Sportsman Concept Looks For a New Home

 Verdad Gallardo
story-4

10 Best Ford Truck Engines We Miss the Most!

 Joe Kucinski
story-5

2026 Shelby F-150 Off-Road: Better Than a Raptor R?

 Brett Foote
story-6

2027 Super Duty Carhartt Package First Look: 12 Things You NEED to Know!

 Michael S. Palmer
story-7

10 Most Surprising 2026 Ford Truck Features!

 Joe Kucinski
story-8

Top 10 Ford Trucks Coming to Mecum Indy 2026

 Brett Foote
story-9

5 Best / 5 Worst Ford Truck Wheels of All Time

 Joe Kucinski
Old Aug 17, 2013 | 10:43 PM
  #9  
Ace_of_Spades's Avatar
Ace_of_Spades
Thread Starter
|
New User
Joined: May 2007
Posts: 24
Likes: 0
Here's a video of it turning over, spit & sputtering but not starting.

 
Reply
Old Aug 17, 2013 | 11:55 PM
  #10  
_Clayton_'s Avatar
_Clayton_
Senior User
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 133
Likes: 0
From: Morehead, Ky
Sounds like you only got a couple good glow plugs...
 
Reply
Old Aug 18, 2013 | 06:40 AM
  #11  
bashby's Avatar
bashby
Post Fiend
Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 7,437
Likes: 4
From: Charles Town, W bygod Va
If it was getting fuel and no glow plugs, it should be pumping white smoke out of the tailpipe. It sounds to me like it is turning over plenty fast enough. I'd say you have air in the system. Have you bled it?
 
Reply
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
Realslowww
Pre-Power Stroke Diesel (7.3L IDI & 6.9L)
4
Mar 20, 2017 01:30 PM
QuimperEarthServices
Pre-Power Stroke Diesel (7.3L IDI & 6.9L)
9
Mar 28, 2015 06:41 PM
r_carhill
Pre-Power Stroke Diesel (7.3L IDI & 6.9L)
18
Aug 19, 2013 03:54 PM
greaseburner
Pre-Power Stroke Diesel (7.3L IDI & 6.9L)
3
Apr 27, 2004 07:32 PM
Jisa
Pre-Power Stroke Diesel (7.3L IDI & 6.9L)
8
Jan 3, 2004 07:19 PM




All times are GMT -5. The time now is 05:14 PM.

story-0
Top 10 Ford Truck Tragedies

Slideshow: Top 10 Ford truck tragedies.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-18 19:34:33


VIEW MORE
story-1
AEV FXL Super Duty - the Super Duty Raptor Ford Doesn't Make

And it might be even better than that.

By Brett Foote | 2026-05-18 19:26:42


VIEW MORE
story-2
Lobo Vs Lobo: Proof the F-150 Lobo Should Be Even Lower!

Slideshow: Does lowering an F-150 Lobo RUIN the ride quality?

By Michael S. Palmer | 2026-05-18 19:20:37


VIEW MORE
story-3
Ford's 2001 Explorer Sportsman Concept Looks For a New Home

Slideshow: Ford's bizarre fishing-themed Explorer concept has resurfaced after spending decades largely forgotten.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-05-12 18:07:46


VIEW MORE
story-4
10 Best Ford Truck Engines We Miss the Most!

Slideshow: The 10 best Ford truck engines we miss the most.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-12 13:09:47


VIEW MORE
story-5
2026 Shelby F-150 Off-Road: Better Than a Raptor R?

Slideshow: first look at the 810 hp 2026 Shelby F-150 Off-Road!

By Brett Foote | 2026-05-12 12:50:07


VIEW MORE
story-6
2027 Super Duty Carhartt Package First Look: 12 Things You NEED to Know!

Slideshow: Everything You Need to Know about the 2027 Super Duty Carhartt Package!

By Michael S. Palmer | 2026-05-07 17:51:06


VIEW MORE
story-7
10 Most Surprising 2026 Ford Truck Features!

Slideshow: 10 most surprising Ford truck options/features in 2026.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-05 11:17:22


VIEW MORE
story-8
Top 10 Ford Trucks Coming to Mecum Indy 2026

Slideshow: Here are the top 10 Fords coming to Mecum Indy 2026.

By Brett Foote | 2026-05-04 13:49:49


VIEW MORE
story-9
5 Best / 5 Worst Ford Truck Wheels of All Time

Slideshow: The 5 best and 5 worst Ford truck wheels of all time

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-04-29 16:49:01


VIEW MORE