I think I am going to buy this billet pulley system for my 429 (CVF Racing).
Big Block Ford V-Belt Pulley System (429 & 460)

I need some help in identifying my water pump
1) Do I have an old (pre 1970) water pump or not. I found a few casting numbers...

81H6
E9TE AA or E9IE AA

and took some photos:












Newer style water pump is apparently a bit longer than the older one.

2) I'm also thinking about changing to a Saginaw style power steering pump too. I need one that comes with a stud on the back (see picture) that fits their bracket. They say one from '76 Impala will do but the picture from Rock Auto does not really show a stud installed. So I'd hate to order one only to find no stud.



Has anyone one on here installed one of these kits?


Thank you!

 

That is a "T" according to the Airtex guide that is a late pump. It is included in the listing, by one part number, for 1970 to 1991 casting numbers. Thats all I can help you with.

 

On your saginaw .. give this a read, keeping in mind what tire size in the end will mean to the pump you select

 

Awesome! Thanks Xkpsanit & Redroad.

I have 35" tires on there now and may be tempted to increase after I install the 6" lift I have planned but probably won't get too crazy big.

Good article!

 

Hey KIKKUP,

I picked up CVF's Saginaw bracket for my 4WD FE and was wondering what pump ya ordered. Got a part number or application spec handy???

 

Howdy HIO Silver!,

I had to dig into my ebay archive. The seller was this store:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Chrome-GM-Chevy-Saginaw-Power-Steering-Pump-A-Can-Type-Street-Hot-Rat-Rod-/350889715646?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&vxp=mtr&hash=item51b2a827be
This unit is not exactly like the one I got which came with a chrome cap but I had to change that anyway because it would not seal properly and the replacement I got from Summit is a little to small to fit the Chrome cover.

I wound up going to a hydraulic's shop to have them make up a hose which cost me more than I paid for the pump. I recycled part of the old high pressure side line and cut it off where the crimped on rubber section was. The guy welded an AN fitting on (Size 4 I think) and then I needed a special fitting to fit the pump. This one had the metric threads. Summit has those for 4 or 5 bucks and then came off with a 90. Turned out okay. I have exactly about 20 mins on my motor and after I get my exhaust plumbed up I will see about getting any remaining air from the system. (I did sent my steering box off to Red Head for a rebuild).

What else... oh on my engine I was not too thrilled about the CVF's bracket. After I went back and read the fine print it looks like I may have needed to use a newer style water pump that is about 5/8" taller than the one I have and I also think some of the mounting bosses are a little different. The heim joint (sp?) adjustment rod sits at an angle and does not really feel solid until everything is tightened up good.

Later on when I can afford to put the aftermarket A/C into my truck I will switch over to the March serpentine bracket system but I think what I have will work for a while.

Just in case you have not experienced billet, try not to drop it or get a lot of grease on it because I don't think the stuff from CVF has any kind of coating on it and will get the used look pretty quick and if you just happen to let it fall onto the floor you'll be rewarded with some permanent reminders. Well, I'm rambling now. You have a FE so maybe your bracket is a bit more robust.

So far, I'm happy with the pump... (no leaks, no whining or groaning noises and the chrome don't look too bad) oh I did have to grind on it a little to get one of the spacer bushings to fit in place. The spot face was not centered around the hole but this was not a big deal.

 

I just put one on.... I used my old saginaw pump it's like the one in your pic on the right, but no stud on the back. I didn't even check to see if I had the right water pump, I don't think it was because I had to get creative with the spacers they sent to get the pulley to line up. Looks a heck of a lot better than my old hacked up mess and seems pretty solid.
I couldn't find the right pressure hose so I'm going to find the right size male flare nut and just cut off the female nut and re-flare the tubing.

 

Looks good Bassdude! The plumbing on yours looks like it exits on the bottom which would be good for giving some extra space if its tight against the engine. I looked at a bunch on Rock Auto to see which Saginaw pump might be a good pick but didn't see your configuration and wound up rolling the dice on the eBay shop. The low pressure return line on mine is pointed towards the engine and so when the hose is routed back the steering box looks like it could kink and collapse so I'll have to keep an eye on that. I could try bending it but with Mr. Murphy might think otherwise and reward me with it breaking or something...

I have plenty of room on mine and enough room to run a 90 exiting from the back side. What I don't think I have is the back mount that is shown on yours because that would sure help keep it stable and aligned.

 

Mine are on the back of the pump like normal. I think thats the nipples for the fuel pump you're seeing.

 

Thanks guys.. Very helpful.

I'll be heading to the 'yard to pull one out of truck application. Based on what I have read online and in CarCraft, the Saginaw's output pressure is dependent on which vehicle and its weight.

Btw, PSC sells field serviceable fittings and hoses. And of course, pumps.: Fragola Performance Fittings, Hose, Connectors, Hose Kits

 

Man, that's some expensive hose! Or...rather, they are proud of it.

For the power steering stuff, you can run standard medium duty hose. It's rated to at 3K PSI. Summit Racing sells what you need; specifically their PTFE hose is easy to work with and looks good if you like braided stainless.

The good news is that the PTFE hose has been used for YEARS in lots of non-automotive applications and you can get some interesting hose ends. I wound up running a banjo fitting out the back of my pump because it sits SO close to an engine mount.

You can also use standard AN or MIL hose, as long as the AN part number has a 111 prefix or the MIL number is MIL-H8794. It's pretty cheap too. Here's a link to some that I just found.

As an aside, do you know what port your pump has? They vary by application but I've only seen two used. One is standard and one is metric O-ring. If you wind up having to adapt to a 37* flare, you'll need the right adapter. I got my adapter from Jegs, but I know Speedway motors sells them. I have a post here with some part numbers I used for converting all that stuff to 37* fittings. Some of the information is a little obsolete, but only the anecdotes, the part numbers are still good to go.