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Old Feb 20, 2013 | 10:48 PM
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On my truck, there are only 2 bolts, one on top, one on bottom, and then the wire that goes to it. That's on a 351w though. It can't be much different.
The starter will only come of if I take the passenger side header off, and that would most likely involve lifting that side of the engine to pull the header out. Really a pain. Turns a 20-30 minute starter replacement job into a 2.5+ hour job...
 
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Old Feb 21, 2013 | 12:34 PM
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Well, I turned the crankshaft over, and the starter turned the engine over fine. I guess I have a tooth missing on the flex plate. I was just playing with timing adjustments couple of days ago, and I'd just retarded the timing further than I've ever had it. This was right before it was parked and sat for a day. Could that have left the flex plate in a position that it isn't normally left in? Never had any issues starting it, and have never heard any grinding or anything of that nature. I've heard that with an engine, there are certain places that it likes to stop depending on how many times it can turn over when you turn it off. So depending on the compression and timing adjustments, would that leave the flex plate somewhere it usually doesn't end up at? I adjusted the timing back up just a little. I guess I'll see how it does.
 
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Old Feb 21, 2013 | 05:41 PM
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Well, had a hard time starting again. It would turn the engine over a little then the starter would just spin freely. Had about 45 minutes until dark, and I pulled the header away from the head and from the connector to the exhaust. I loosened the starter and pulled it back a bit, but it's still blocked from coming out by the header. I'll only be able to pull the header and starter out if I unbolt the engine mounts and tilt the engine so that the header will have enough clearance. Really sucks, but that's the way it is...

I can pull the starter back enough to see that the starter gears are REALLY rounded down, and there's one spot in the flex plate that's chewed a little. Not sure how bad the flex plate is. Might not have to replace it. I'll try to get a better look at it soon. Probably not until the weekend. I'll try to upload pictures if I can.

I'm pretty mechanically inclined, but I've never done anything like this. Any advice.
 
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Old Feb 21, 2013 | 08:51 PM
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I've decided I'm going to get the starter off and try to just put another starter on it without doing anything with the flex plate.

I don't have any pictures yet, but here are some pics from google that resemble my scenario.
Here's what the starter gear should look like: http://www.lulusoso.com/upload/20110...otor_Parts.jpg
My starter gear much more resembles this or worse for how the teeth look (the gear in the pic is made that way): http://www.zx6e.net/forums/uploads/p...1117998132.jpg
The one worn spot (about 1.5") in my flex plate isn't as bad as this flex plate: http://www.aclassinfo.co.uk/worn%20ring-gear.jpg
 
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Old Feb 22, 2013 | 12:18 AM
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Well try to take some pics when you dig into it. Hopefully your flex plate is ok.
 
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Old Feb 22, 2013 | 09:01 AM
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Well try to take some pics when you dig into it. Hopefully your flex plate is ok.
Yeah, I don't have time to work on it today, but I'll get into it tomorrow. I'll try to take pics and post them. I'm praying that the flex plate is okay. If not, I have a much bigger job on my hands...
 
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Old Feb 22, 2013 | 07:56 PM
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Well, found some time this evening, and I got into it. Got the starter off and got some pics.

Here's the worn down starter gear. This starter is 25 years old.


Here's the worst part of the flex plate. It's not bad.


Here's what the rest of the flex plate looks like. Pretty much perfect.
 
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Old Feb 22, 2013 | 10:23 PM
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Thank God for the flex plate being OK. A 25yo starter is pretty good, I would say.
 
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Old Feb 23, 2013 | 01:53 PM
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Thank God for the flex plate being OK. A 25yo starter is pretty good, I would say.
Yeah, even 25 years old, the starter still worked fine other the gears. Almost got everything back together now.

I was really relieved when I saw that the flex plate wasn't bad. That was really worrying me...
 
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Old Feb 23, 2013 | 04:19 PM
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Got it all back together, and everything's good to go. It's a really tight fit with the starter and header. I had a hard time fitting it back together, but got it with some effort.

The new starter seems a bit more torquey than the old one. I don't know if it has a higher rating, but I think the old one was probably just getting tired.
 
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Old Feb 23, 2013 | 04:25 PM
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On top of getting it all fixed, it was pretty cheap too. I got the starter from Advanced Auto Parts, and used a "$20 off of $50 or more" coupon I found online. The starter was $54.99 regularly with a $15 core charge. I took the core in when I picked it up, and got out of the store with a new starter for $37.49 including tax. Felt pretty good with that, haha

I also replaced the fender-mounted solenoid. I wasn't sure how old it was, but I knew it had some age on it. Didn't want that to be the next thing to go...
 
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Old Feb 23, 2013 | 05:14 PM
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Good job on the preventative maintenance. Glad to hear you got it done for cheap.
 
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Old Feb 24, 2013 | 04:01 PM
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Glad to hear all is well in the end. Nice call on the coupon, as I never think to look for one for a parts store... only when I shop online... gotta remember to change that.
 
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Old Feb 24, 2013 | 05:23 PM
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Glad to hear all is well in the end. Nice call on the coupon, as I never think to look for one for a parts store... only when I shop online... gotta remember to change that.
Yeah, I don't usually worry much about coupons. Recently I tallied up receipts on things I bought for my truck in 2012, and it wasn't pretty. Haha. Since then I've been trying to catch deals, and use coupons. I love adding things to my truck and doing maintenance on it, I just need to figure out a cheaper way to do it, lol. I save money by doing maintenance myself, and then I pretty much spend the savings on flashy stuff, sound stuff, accessories, lights, etc... Oh well, I have an addiction.
 
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Old Feb 24, 2013 | 05:44 PM
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More bang for your buck! Nothing wrong with that, man.
 
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