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Old Feb 4, 2013 | 09:31 PM
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Can an engine be built to run 10:1 CR and still be used for hard towing on 93 octane?
 
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Old Feb 5, 2013 | 11:52 AM
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That's gonna be pushing the envelope with this vintage hardware, combustion chambers would need to produce a lot of swirl to minimize detonation sensitivity and even then it may not be enough. I have a friend with a nicely built SBC in a Monte Carlo that sits right around 10:1, it's got an Edelbrock aluminum topend on it with TPI fuel injection and lots of custom tuning but it's still rediculously detonation prone even on premium fuel.. and that's in a relatively lightweight car. The main problem is the motor doesn't have enough cam to bleed off some compression at low rpms, but of course if you install a cam that does that the whole powerband moves up the tach and that's not what you want for towing.
 
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Old Feb 5, 2013 | 08:19 PM
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What may help is to change over to aluminum heads. The Ford GT40 "Y" or "X" heads are designed to increase the turbulence of the incoming fuel/air and being aluminum can handle higher compression. Will they be OK with a 10:1 I can't say but I wouldn't try it with cast iron heads.
 
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Old Feb 6, 2013 | 05:11 PM
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Slightly off topic: Is the ability to use higher compression with aluminum heads due to them being less prone to detonation? Is this due to better combustion chamber shapes that are less susceptible to detonation, or is it because they cool off faster? If the latter, how much energy is lost to the faster cooling, and is it more than what you gain when you increase the CR?
 
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Old Feb 6, 2013 | 06:22 PM
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Aluminum transfers heat faster but the benefits that provides is offset by it's relative low melting temperature compared to iron, so while you may be able to use more compression with aluminum heads it's real easy to damage them with detonation so they're generally not a great idea for a heavy towing application.

Typical cumbustion chamber temps are 1200deg F at 13.5:1 A/F ratio which is right at the melting point of most aluminum alloys, it's only the constant influx of fresh combustion gases that keeps aluminum pistons and cylinder heads from dissolving right in front of your eyes, so as you might expect this doesn't leave much room for abuse. From my 2-stroke days I remember it was dumb easy to melt a piston if for some reason you let the motor get too lean for more than a few seconds at a time.
 
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Old Feb 6, 2013 | 06:42 PM
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First it's the fact that they are aluminum and heat travels faster through them or to put it another way aluminum conducts heat better then cast iron.
Second in the case of the Ford heads I mentioned they were designed to have more swirl then the cast iron heads. Third the surface finish of an aluminum head is almost always smoother then a cast iron head. Fourth the Ford aluminum GT40 heads flow way better then your average iron Windsor heads including the iron GT40 and GT40P. Fifth is that aluminum heads weigh an average of 22-25 lbs less per head.
Cost is the only negative but sometimes you can come across someone selling a pair of aluminum heads for no more then what you can buy some iron heads for.

Of course you could polish the chambers on a cast iron head which has been proven to reduce detonation but you still have the other reasons that the aluminum head would be better.

From a performance stand point I can tell you from personal experience. I owned a 1993 Mustang Cobra. It was rated at 235 HP stock. On an engine dyno that engine would make around 260-270HP at the flywheel. On my car with just a bigger Mass Air meter (73 vrs 60 MM), long tube headers, ported Cobra intake, and a cone K&N filter and the addition of GT40 "X" aluminum heads which in my case dropped my compression ratio a bit, my engine made around 270 HP at the wheels! If tested it on an engine dyno I would have seen 320-325HP. Those heads, on the right engine can add an instant 30 HP even if you had the iron GT40s to start with as I did.
 
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Old Feb 9, 2013 | 08:33 AM
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While aluminum conducts heat faster than iron, once the engine is up to operating temperature, that benefit goes "bye-bye" as the thermostat and cooling system regulates the operating temperature. All that said, Conanski's right, you reallly do not want aluminum heads for a heavy towing application. They do not react positively to over heating situations. Neither will the head gaskets in most cases. You can build the engine to run on 93 with iron heads, but chances are you will not avoid pinging under heavy loads. If you're going to tow, use iron heads and keep the compression down to no more than 9 to 1.
 
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Old Feb 16, 2013 | 08:52 PM
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To answer your question I'd say "yes". Just make sure you are running the right cam for your truck. Meaning, it match's what you are running.
My question is can you afford it? Gas near record high's and 93 on top of that.
 
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