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i have the diesel, butt in your case i would buy the v-10 with the 430 rear and install a us gear over drive, you would have the best of both worlds ,pulling power loaded, fuel milage when empty.
I had a PSD drove it 100,000 miles and loved it but when it came time to replace it I could not see the extra 6 grand for the PSD so I bought the V10. I tow a 27' 5th wheel both work equaly well the gas mileage differance when towing was only 2 mpg so the mieage everyone clames is not that big a thing. I would never go back to the PSD. I will say this buy which ever you really want stop trying to justifyi which from a $ stand point.
Every bit of info you get on this subject will be tainted in some way but in the end 90% of the users would be better suited with the V10 but 90% buy the PSD. Why because it is what they wanted, that was why I bought mine and I gave all the reason, resale, mileage, power yda yada yada truth was I had no idea what the V10 was until I owned one and everyone told me not to get it. Well the V10 is the best motor that I have ever owned.
"The 6.0 is not 300-350 lighter than the 7.3, it's about 200 lbs. lighter. The 7.3 is not too heavy for IFS"
I got my info from an International rep who instructs the mechanics on servicing the new 6.0. Also, he stated that the 7.3 causes premature wear on the front shocks. I believed is accessment was correct. Anyways, we will find out in 2005 if Ford goes to IFS.
I don't know how you quote and highlight, so I did it this way.
A minor little point to be considered is that later you might decide to upgrade to a larger camper and even do some longer range camping or traveling. That thrown into the mix would make the diesel a better investment. Not knocking the gas burners but the oil burner does have a longer durability factor. At 100K the gas burner is about on its last leg the diesel is just getting going. Look at the warr on both. Figure out how long you plan on keeping the truck and also if your thinking about a possible upgrade to your camper. There are a lot of factors to think about. When I first started the camping thing I figured that the little 28' would be more than enough (single slide), I'm now pulling a 34' triple slide, why because I can. Somthing to think about.
Originally posted by nafzimo Worn out at at 100K? Ya think? The fumes are getting you.
All you have to do is look at the resale values to know he's right. Of course most modern gas engines can make 100K no problem, but 200K is unrealistic. They may run OK at 200K, but not like new. The diesel will run at 100K miles like new.
All this "mine is better then yours" stuff gets old. The truth be told, both powertrain setups are the tops of thier respective classes. What is important is whether or not you get what you need. The V10 is a better everyday driver that can pull huge loads on the weekends, and vice versa on the PSD.
We all know the pros/cons of each engine.
I purchased the V10 because it is my daily driver. I commute about 30 miles round trip. IMHO, that is not enough time to let a diesel warm up properly. Furthermore, the PSD is just too loud to be a good daily driver. Unless you tow frequently, the V10 is a better choice.
Price was not an option for me, getting what fit my needs best is.
Originally posted by kanertop I purchased the V10 because it is my daily driver. I commute about 30 miles round trip. IMHO, that is not enough time to let a diesel warm up properly.
Furthermore, the PSD is just too loud to be a good daily driver.
30 miles roundtrip is plenty of time to let a diesel warm up.
I'm certainly not going to claim that a diesel is quiet at low rpm, but the new 6.0 Power Stroke is quieter than the V10 at highway speeds when the rpm are higher. The "noise" factor is an issue for some people, but a lot of these same people get aftermarket exhaust systems and often ask on this website and others "what will give me the best tone?" Seems kind of funny to avoid a diesel because of the noise and then modify your gas engine for a louder exhaust tone.
The 6.0 Power Stroke should reach the break even point with the V10 much sooner than the 7.3 would. The light duty oil change interval is 7500 miles and heavy duty is 5000 miles, so that helps to offset the higher cost of oil changes. The mileage is also better than the 7.3.
I have seen 3 V10's used for hotshot driving, 1 had 250,000 miles another 210,000 and another had 190,000 and all of them said they were no where near ready to rebuild so 100,000 and worn out is BS. Plus most owners never see 100K.
Resale value is and issue, the PSD will hold it's value better, however if you buy a used V10 as I did you can win here as well. I bought my truck for dam near 10K cheaper than I could have gotten the PSD for so when I sell I will not loose near as much.
bighogman is corect about shock wear I went through a set of shocks every 30k miles but shocks are cheap so that is no big thing but tires every 20-25K ain't and my PSD ate tires where my V10 does not.
Now here is the deal if the PSD was so much better than the V10 than everyone would buy the PSD and vis-versa. Truth is both are great motors in a great truck and you can not go wrong with either.
Originally posted by daimon1054 Now here is the deal if the PSD was so much better than the V10 than everyone would buy the PSD and vis-versa. Truth is both are great motors in a great truck and you can not go wrong with either.
Agreed. PSD and V10 each have strengths and weaknesses. Buy the one that suits you best.
I bought the PSD because of towing ability, but I would not buy it for my wife to drive every day. For her daily driver, I'd only put her in a gasser.
First time she spilled diesel on herself filling the tank, she'd scalp me.
Another point is the V10 is less weight than the diesel. Assuming the axles are the same, a heavy camper is better suited for a V10. A full time Rv'er pulling a 40' triple slide should not consider a V10. Hey, Ford can make everyone happy.
I see the camper package has a 200# heavier front spring and a 'camper certification'. What does it mean?
It just means that you can carry a little more weight. The heavier front springs gives you a stiffer ride but the hitch weight can be heavier.. I think it gives you about another 500 pounds. If I'm wrong somebody say so.
I noticed that the V10 has a higher payload capacity than the diesel. It says something about the automatic being a restriction.. I wonder why the new 5spd auto would be a restriction..
Originally posted by gcope63 I noticed that the V10 has a higher payload capacity than the diesel. It says something about the automatic being a restriction.. I wonder why the new 5spd auto would be a restriction..
Anything that adds weight to the truck reduces the available GVWR and GCWR meaning you can haul and tow less.
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