V10 vs 6.0 PSD
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V10 vs 6.0 PSD
Everyone has missed an important point. He's talking about loading a 3000 lb camper and pulling a trailer/boat. That diesel and transmission are going to weigh about 800 lbs MORE than a V10 gasser. That equates to a SERIOUS LOSS of GVWR for camper use.
Sure the diesel (6.0) would pull better, it should. It's also nice and quiet now. Problem is it's been REAL quiet as it sits in the dealers shop waiting for repairs.
Wait another year to buy a 6.0 minimum. Don't be a guinea pig for Ford.
The V10 with 4.30's is a better choice for what you're doing, especially with 10,000 miles a year projected.
Sure the diesel (6.0) would pull better, it should. It's also nice and quiet now. Problem is it's been REAL quiet as it sits in the dealers shop waiting for repairs.
Wait another year to buy a 6.0 minimum. Don't be a guinea pig for Ford. The V10 with 4.30's is a better choice for what you're doing, especially with 10,000 miles a year projected.
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V10 vs 6.0 PSD
The 6.0 weighs 300-350 pounds less than the 7.3 liters. In actuality, Ford loves the 7.3 but it is to heavy. The 6.0 is light enough for an IFS, which I suspect will come around in 2005.
Caterpillar suffered severe premature failures with an EGR setup. Therefore, they will definitely not have an EGR system. As a result, there is a $4000.00 penalty for every new Cat sold in California.
The 6.0 with the EGR is great for long distances. However, short trips will never allow the engine to achieve operating temperature. International is seeing premature buildup in the turbo and intake system as a result. I believe the non-serviceable turbos go for $2500.00. Also, injectors are expensive. I cannot speak for the electronics because the International version is different. As a piece of mind the VT365 offers a 3yr/150,000 mile warranty.
I live in farm country. The farmers prefer the 7.3 with 4WD. In 4WD low, they can drag around a set of doubles full of almonds. At 40-50000 pounds, I am amazed. My V10 would grenade.
The siblings may quarrel but I will stick up for you 'oil burners' when a Dodge or Chevy comes around. I hope to get the same in return.
Caterpillar suffered severe premature failures with an EGR setup. Therefore, they will definitely not have an EGR system. As a result, there is a $4000.00 penalty for every new Cat sold in California.
The 6.0 with the EGR is great for long distances. However, short trips will never allow the engine to achieve operating temperature. International is seeing premature buildup in the turbo and intake system as a result. I believe the non-serviceable turbos go for $2500.00. Also, injectors are expensive. I cannot speak for the electronics because the International version is different. As a piece of mind the VT365 offers a 3yr/150,000 mile warranty.
I live in farm country. The farmers prefer the 7.3 with 4WD. In 4WD low, they can drag around a set of doubles full of almonds. At 40-50000 pounds, I am amazed. My V10 would grenade.
The siblings may quarrel but I will stick up for you 'oil burners' when a Dodge or Chevy comes around. I hope to get the same in return.
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V10 vs 6.0 PSD
Originally posted by Outpost22
Everyone has missed an important point. He's talking about loading a 3000 lb camper and pulling a trailer/boat. That diesel and transmission are going to weigh about 800 lbs MORE than a V10 gasser. That equates to a SERIOUS LOSS of GVWR for camper use.
Everyone has missed an important point. He's talking about loading a 3000 lb camper and pulling a trailer/boat. That diesel and transmission are going to weigh about 800 lbs MORE than a V10 gasser. That equates to a SERIOUS LOSS of GVWR for camper use.
Originally posted by Outpost22
Sure the diesel (6.0) would pull better, it should. It's also nice and quiet now. Problem is it's been REAL quiet as it sits in the dealers shop waiting for repairs. Wait another year to buy a 6.0 minimum. Don't be a guinea pig for Ford.
Sure the diesel (6.0) would pull better, it should. It's also nice and quiet now. Problem is it's been REAL quiet as it sits in the dealers shop waiting for repairs.
Wait another year to buy a 6.0 minimum. Don't be a guinea pig for Ford.
Originally posted by Outpost22
The V10 with 4.30's is a better choice for what you're doing, especially with 10,000 miles a year projected.
The V10 with 4.30's is a better choice for what you're doing, especially with 10,000 miles a year projected.
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V10 vs 6.0 PSD
Also take a look into the cost of servicing.
The 6.0 takes a $20something (Canadian) oil filter, the air filter is $95 Canadian and it takes over twice as much oil as a gas engine.
Throw in fuel filters that cost twice as much too.
Sure you dont have spark plugs but the plugs on a gas engine are good for 100,000 anyway so that's not a big deal.
Once you're off warranty if you have any problems be ready to pay BIG money for repairs. We replaced an EGR valve in a 6.0 today and the retail price for it is over $600. Good thing it has warranty.
And like numerous people here have said, dont be a guinea pig for Ford. They certainly havent got the bugs worked out of the 6.0 yet.
Once they do I think it will be a great engine though.
The 6.0 takes a $20something (Canadian) oil filter, the air filter is $95 Canadian and it takes over twice as much oil as a gas engine.
Throw in fuel filters that cost twice as much too.
Sure you dont have spark plugs but the plugs on a gas engine are good for 100,000 anyway so that's not a big deal.
Once you're off warranty if you have any problems be ready to pay BIG money for repairs. We replaced an EGR valve in a 6.0 today and the retail price for it is over $600. Good thing it has warranty.
And like numerous people here have said, dont be a guinea pig for Ford. They certainly havent got the bugs worked out of the 6.0 yet.
Once they do I think it will be a great engine though.
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Originally posted by jschira
He is only talking 8500 lbs total. The extra weight of the engine is not critical.
He is only talking 8500 lbs total. The extra weight of the engine is not critical.
Sorry, but it IS crtical. A 3000 lb camper on an F250 is way too close, especially when you add food, water, LP gas, junk, etc,to the camper along with passengers and more stuff in the cab to the equation. The truck is rated for 8800lbs. The truck alone will be 6200-7200 depending on configuration without the camper. Add in the above...you should get the picture why more engine/tranny weight should be an issue
It sure was for me. He really should look into an F350 for "legal" weight issues. That extra 1100 lb rating may mean something someday
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Originally posted by Outpost22
You are right if it was only a TOWING issue. But this is a GVWR issue.
Sorry, but it IS crtical. A 3000 lb camper on an F250 is way too close, especially when you add food, water, LP gas, junk, etc,to the camper along with passengers and more stuff in the cab to the equation. . . . He really should look into an F350 for "legal" weight issues. That extra 1100 lb rating may mean something someday
You are right if it was only a TOWING issue. But this is a GVWR issue.
Sorry, but it IS crtical. A 3000 lb camper on an F250 is way too close, especially when you add food, water, LP gas, junk, etc,to the camper along with passengers and more stuff in the cab to the equation. . . . He really should look into an F350 for "legal" weight issues. That extra 1100 lb rating may mean something someday
We were talking engines, V10 versus PSD, not F250 versus F350.
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Originally posted by bighogman
The 6.0 weighs 300-350 pounds less than the 7.3 liters. In actuality, Ford loves the 7.3 but it is to heavy. The 6.0 is light enough for an IFS, which I suspect will come around in 2005.
The 6.0 weighs 300-350 pounds less than the 7.3 liters. In actuality, Ford loves the 7.3 but it is to heavy. The 6.0 is light enough for an IFS, which I suspect will come around in 2005.
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Originally posted by johnsdiesel
T Why would they reverse such a recent decision?
T Why would they reverse such a recent decision?
1. They're bean countersand lose sight of the big picture.
2. They want our trucks to be cars
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V10 vs 6.0 PSD
Originally posted by Outpost22
Two reasons:
1. They're bean countersand lose sight of the big picture.
2. They want our trucks to be cars
Two reasons:
1. They're bean countersand lose sight of the big picture.
2. They want our trucks to be cars
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Originally posted by johnsdiesel
Although they're making trucks more carlike, I don't think Ford will go back to the IFS in the Super Duty trucks anytime soon. The solid axle is much better for the application.
Although they're making trucks more carlike, I don't think Ford will go back to the IFS in the Super Duty trucks anytime soon. The solid axle is much better for the application.
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V10 vs 6.0 PSD
Dodge kept their new 2500/3500 4x4 Rams solid. I don't think Ford will do it. They sell too many commercial F250/F350 platforms and I doubt it would go over well with the folks that buy those.
