ZDDP Alternative?
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LOL - those questions have been asked for years .......... and who has ever stated that it was anything BUT a bandaid!!??
Lots of people need the temporary bandaid for financial reasons. As far as running 500k+ miles as a data point (like your run6.0run benchmark) - that is ridiculous. It just doesn't apply to most folks. I would bet that lots of people are at 200k that have used Rev-X. Why not start a poll - thats better than just arguing about it.
IMO the only practical way to find out is for people to try it and report the results.
Lots of people need the temporary bandaid for financial reasons. As far as running 500k+ miles as a data point (like your run6.0run benchmark) - that is ridiculous. It just doesn't apply to most folks. I would bet that lots of people are at 200k that have used Rev-X. Why not start a poll - thats better than just arguing about it.
IMO the only practical way to find out is for people to try it and report the results.
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I have almost 170,000mi. on my '07 and had about 120,000mi. on my '04 when I traded it in, I have never experienced injector stiction.
I am well aware that many have had injector issues and I am not trying to dispute that side of it, and I don't believe in luck so we can rule that out.
I have always, since the first oil change from the factory fill of both trucks went to 7,500 oil change intervals.
I also have only used synthetic on three consectitive intervals. Quite honestly I don't know what I'm doing differently than everyone else, but it seems to be working for me.
My lube choice for the last approx. 90,000mi. has been John Deere Plus 50 10w-30(CI-4 & CJ-4), and prior to that, minus the three synthetic runs of 5w-40, were 15w-40 Plus 50.
I know, as my OUA's show, my choice of lube suits my driving style very well, but also my driving style, which is mostly highway driving, plays a part in the overall health of my truck(s)
I am well aware that many have had injector issues and I am not trying to dispute that side of it, and I don't believe in luck so we can rule that out.
I have always, since the first oil change from the factory fill of both trucks went to 7,500 oil change intervals.
I also have only used synthetic on three consectitive intervals. Quite honestly I don't know what I'm doing differently than everyone else, but it seems to be working for me.
My lube choice for the last approx. 90,000mi. has been John Deere Plus 50 10w-30(CI-4 & CJ-4), and prior to that, minus the three synthetic runs of 5w-40, were 15w-40 Plus 50.
I know, as my OUA's show, my choice of lube suits my driving style very well, but also my driving style, which is mostly highway driving, plays a part in the overall health of my truck(s)
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I have almost 170,000mi. on my '07 and had about 120,000mi. on my '04 when I traded it in, I have never experienced injector stiction.
I am well aware that many have had injector issues and I am not trying to dispute that side of it, and I don't believe in luck so we can rule that out.
I have always, since the first oil change from the factory fill of both trucks went to 7,500 oil change intervals.
I also have only used synthetic on three consectitive intervals. Quite honestly I don't know what I'm doing differently than everyone else, but it seems to be working for me.
My lube choice for the last approx. 90,000mi. has been John Deere Plus 50 10w-30(CI-4 & CJ-4), and prior to that, minus the three synthetic runs of 5w-40, were 15w-40 Plus 50.
I know, as my OUA's show, my choice of lube suits my driving style very well, but also my driving style, which is mostly highway driving, plays a part in the overall health of my truck(s)
I am well aware that many have had injector issues and I am not trying to dispute that side of it, and I don't believe in luck so we can rule that out.
I have always, since the first oil change from the factory fill of both trucks went to 7,500 oil change intervals.
I also have only used synthetic on three consectitive intervals. Quite honestly I don't know what I'm doing differently than everyone else, but it seems to be working for me.
My lube choice for the last approx. 90,000mi. has been John Deere Plus 50 10w-30(CI-4 & CJ-4), and prior to that, minus the three synthetic runs of 5w-40, were 15w-40 Plus 50.
I know, as my OUA's show, my choice of lube suits my driving style very well, but also my driving style, which is mostly highway driving, plays a part in the overall health of my truck(s)
You really like the Deere oil huh? I am intrigued by their 0W40, but even with a friends-n-family discount is still too pricey for my cheap ***.
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From: Spanaway
Sorry for the 
But that video made me think of a question.
In the 7.3 he removed oil from the reservoir On the 6.0 if the stand
pipe is removed can the oil be sucked out the same way with out
messing up the screen placement? What I was thinking is it is a way to
do a full oil change and not leave as much of the old oil behind.
Sean
But that video made me think of a question.
In the 7.3 he removed oil from the reservoir On the 6.0 if the stand
pipe is removed can the oil be sucked out the same way with out
messing up the screen placement? What I was thinking is it is a way to
do a full oil change and not leave as much of the old oil behind.
Sean
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Sorry for the
But that video made me think of a question.
In the 7.3 he removed oil from the reservoir On the 6.0 if the stand
pipe is removed can the oil be sucked out the same way with out
messing up the screen placement? What I was thinking is it is a way to
do a full oil change and not leave as much of the old oil behind.
Sean
But that video made me think of a question.
In the 7.3 he removed oil from the reservoir On the 6.0 if the stand
pipe is removed can the oil be sucked out the same way with out
messing up the screen placement? What I was thinking is it is a way to
do a full oil change and not leave as much of the old oil behind.
Sean
The 6.0 has a voracious appetite for HPOP oil, I cannot see that getting sludged up. And from all the different people changing coolers not too many have mentioned anything like that, at least with a well maintained engine.
Josh
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OOPS I forgot about that little baby.
How much space between it and the cover?
I have some plastic tubing that is stiff enough that
it won't kink and is small. Not that I will likely try
this anyway. Just some mind exercises.
Sean
How much space between it and the cover?
I have some plastic tubing that is stiff enough that
it won't kink and is small. Not that I will likely try
this anyway. Just some mind exercises.
Sean
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check out the oil routing here...
https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/9...ml#post8708793
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As far as stiction goes, I don't think that those of us that have never had it are in any "minority club" or anything. IMO most people have NOT experienced stiction - especially those with the late model year trucks. Rule out the folks that idle a lot, have run at excessive oil temps and never knew it, had poor oil filtration from non-oem filters, used 15W40 during harsh winter conditions, etc., and you will find it is probably quite uncommon. Bear in mind that most folks drive only up to around 20k miles per year, so the late model year trucks don't have excessive miles on them yet, and those that do drive a lot of miles probably will see better reliability from fewer starts, less cold operation hours, etc.
No doubt that good maintenance practices will always give you a MUCH better chance at reliability than the average person. That being said ..... sometimes even the best maintenance practices aren't enough.
No doubt that good maintenance practices will always give you a MUCH better chance at reliability than the average person. That being said ..... sometimes even the best maintenance practices aren't enough.
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To be clear, I have no illusions of an oil additive fixing stiction. I am certain however, it is possible for an additive to help significantly with the symptoms as I have seen it happen a couple of times. I'm not trying to convince anyone else 
.
I did get some good insight on this particular product. Apparently, the polymer ester formula is a good friction modifier and would likely be helpful but there is a problem. The effective ingredient(s) comprises less than 10% of the product as packaged. It would take a little more than 24oz to make a full dose and the other 90something% is basically mineral oil. Not good for the original oil and it's additive package as someone mentioned earlier.
Anyway, the Hy-per lube is a no-go. But the search continues.
Mark,
The Ford guys may have coined the term "stiction" but in 1990 I took a class concerning aircraft weapons boresighting. The engineer/instructor kept using the term "striction" ( with an added "r"). He claimed he came up with it to refer to the grip between two components that were pressed against each other and experiencing pressure in opposing directions but not enough pressure to make them slide against each other. Static-friction.
.I did get some good insight on this particular product. Apparently, the polymer ester formula is a good friction modifier and would likely be helpful but there is a problem. The effective ingredient(s) comprises less than 10% of the product as packaged. It would take a little more than 24oz to make a full dose and the other 90something% is basically mineral oil. Not good for the original oil and it's additive package as someone mentioned earlier.
Anyway, the Hy-per lube is a no-go. But the search continues.
Mark,
The Ford guys may have coined the term "stiction" but in 1990 I took a class concerning aircraft weapons boresighting. The engineer/instructor kept using the term "striction" ( with an added "r"). He claimed he came up with it to refer to the grip between two components that were pressed against each other and experiencing pressure in opposing directions but not enough pressure to make them slide against each other. Static-friction.
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From: Spanaway
Rusty I did a quick search and the word is older than that
have a look at this
Stiction - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary
"Definition of STICTION
: the force required to cause one body in contact with another to begin to move
Origin of STICTION
static + friction
First Known Use: 1946"
Sean
have a look at this
Stiction - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary
"Definition of STICTION
: the force required to cause one body in contact with another to begin to move
Origin of STICTION
static + friction
First Known Use: 1946"
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HyPer Lube Zinc Replacement is a unique product. No extra Zinc, thus the name. It's an ester, and yes it is effective in reducing friction without competing with Z and P additive.
Probably ideal in Delo or Mobil CK lubes with the reduced Zinc content.
No need in Ford approved oils, but no harm either. You may see better MPG because your wallet will be lighter.
I still think LubeGard BioTech in 6.0 is the go to additive for stiction.
Here is HyPer Lube described in more detail from the chemical company that actually makes it.
Ketgenlube
Probably ideal in Delo or Mobil CK lubes with the reduced Zinc content.
No need in Ford approved oils, but no harm either. You may see better MPG because your wallet will be lighter.
I still think LubeGard BioTech in 6.0 is the go to additive for stiction.
Here is HyPer Lube described in more detail from the chemical company that actually makes it.
Ketgenlube
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The Zombie Thread is back.