New vs. old... Show me a 04+ f150 in 20+ years that boxed frame will look like a old CJ jeep being there are no bottom drain holes and plenty on the sides for crap to get in.
Rebuilt a few mod engines, like the deep side webbing of the block strong set up too bad the external demensions make a 460 look small. The 3V 5.4 does run makes nice tq, 2v my bone stock 351w I like much better. The cam phazer issues, just did one that broke a guide retaining bolt that goes through the oil pump and the guide jumped 2 teeth each side. I am all ford but GM did it right the LS series engines they took the windsor head configuration and did what ford wouldn't, I hate to say it but no way around that one.
Trans E4OD AOD-4R70w, stock they are not great, capible of handling power. The new stuff 6 speeds and what I have seen a stock trans do with a built 6.0 PSD do trans no doubt they have done right, with time.
The torsion bar stuff never cared for it but changed strut springs on newer ones too. I still like my tire eating TTB, newer trucks having the hotchkis style rear leaf set up I haven't seen many broken leafs like older.
Obveously we are here we all like our older trucks for one reason or another, I wish my xcab had 4 doors but it doesn't. But they still look good, parts are reletivly cheap, and my biggest thing pushrods.

Curtis

 

I love my my old truck for the reason parts are cheap my biddies 01 dodge parts are double mine and x2 on the boxed frame look at the older blazer/ s10 boxed frames there shot already

 

You're talking about a 2007 vehicle, of course it is still going to be worth something. You also put "didnt sell" in quotations marks as if they actually did sell. If they did sell, they'd still be making them. They are not.

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Liberty, diesel, 145,000 miles and still $11,000. How many Jeeps would you buy with 150,000 for over $5000?

Pretty much any Wrangler newer then 2000 will sell for over $5,000 in decent shape. Jeeps in general hold their value better then most other Chrysler products, and $14,000 for a loaded '07 Grand Cherokee is pretty bad when the 5.7 Hemi equipped model blue books for $17,000 - and base model cost for one of them was around $29,000

 

Not a joke, hell my 93 F250 with the 300 (only reason I use the 93 is I've been told it's not fair to compare load carrying capacities of a diesel truck to a gas truck) even had a larger useful load capacity (GVWR minus curb weight).

P.S. Any more than about 2800-3000lbs in the bed of the 05 and it gets pretty squirrely.

 

2800/3,000 lbs lol I carry that in my 150 very often and once in my ranger obs trucks are built to work new trucks are just shoved out,the door to be sold

 

I agree with this guy ^^^^

The new F-150s have to be special ordered with a "Max Payload Package" to be useful. OBS's didnt need suck a package because theyre real trucks lol

 

Well not everyone needs to have a maximum payload capacity. Those who use their trucks as daily drivers and don't haul much don't require that option. To think that producing every truck identically is a good idea is plain ignorant. Henry Ford's famous quote "they can have it any color they want as long as its black" was great and all for quick production but it didn't address every consumers needs. Some need a bigger motor, but not every needs a 6.2 in a half ton, and not everyone can get by with a 5.0 in an OBS
truck.
Id also disagree that the new trucks are just shoved out the door. The modern F250s would eat these old F250s alive. Hell, the 99 superdutys would eat these HD trucks too. Its just how these things are as new technology is used and manufacturers try to out do eachother in power ratings.
And to whoever was talking about buying a dodge, go buy one and you'll be back here in a month wishing you didn't. The V10 motors they used, maybe they still do, were impressive. Shaved the lobes off the cam and turned into a V8 pretty commonly. And the transmissions are always unsurpassed in longevity...

 

OBS F-150s had a GVWR of 6250 pounds. A base model reg-cab, short bed would weigh in at about ~4000 pounds, giving a payload of ~2000 pounds. 4x4, power options, supercabs, long bed, etc..all add weight and drop the legal payload well below 2000 pounds.

Modern F-150s have the same base payload of around 1500-2000 pounds. The Max-Tow package brings that up to 3000 pounds - far above any OBS F-150. That's OBS F-250/350 territory.

 

Source: media.ford.com/images/10031/2012_F150_Specs.pdf

Base curb weight of the *least* capable current F-150, the 4x2 short cab short bed with the 3.7L V6 (not the EcoBoost), fuel economy gearing and NO heavy duty package: 4,685lbs
GVWR for the same truck: 6,450lbs
Payload capacity (stated by Ford): 1,710lbs
Maximum trailer weight: 5,500lbs

Let's look at the 1993 counterpart to that, shall we?

Source: 1993 Ford F-150 S Regular Cab Pickup 4.9L 6-cyl. 5-speed Manual Features and Specs

1993 4x2, short bed, regular cab, 300/6, no HD package (there was one offered), fuel economy gearing F-150 curb weight: 3,955lbs
GVWR: 5,450lbs
Payload capacity (not stated by Ford, but calculated per the manual): 1,495lbs
Maximum trailer weight: 952lbs. That's not a typo. That's what's in the owner's manual as the listed max weight for that truck. Ford's own guide says it isn't suitable for trailer towing.



In what universe is 1710lbs less than 1,495lbs? And is there a planet there where a truck that has a big "DO NOT TOW WITH THIS VEHICLE" disclaimer associated with it is better than a truck rated to tow 5,500lbs? Because if you think an OBS truck is better at hauling or towing than its new counterpart, that's what universe and planet you appear to be on.

The comparison gets worse if you go for the 'top' F-150 in both years. The *most* an OBS 150 can legally tow is 7500lbs. The most an OBS 350 can legally tow is 10,000lbs.

The most a current 150 can tow? 11,300lbs. With either the 6.2L V8 or the 3.5L turbo V6. That's right, the new 150 can tow more than my OBS *350.*

It's fine and good to say you like the old trucks better. But to say the old trucks tow and haul more/better than the new ones is just stupid and makes us all look like idiots.

 

Where is the "LIKE" button for the last couple posts

 

New trucks- cost as much as my first house.

Old trucks- paid in full with good old cash money.

 

Theres no way a ranger will out tow a F150 1/2ton, and the 300 is a tough motor, id rather have a 300 than a 302 when it comes to towing because it has more low end torque. The ranger might be faster than it thats about it.

 

Until you have towed with both, you should not say that.
I have and the ranger WILL out tow the 300. But then again the ranger has 15 years newer technology. So please tell me why it can't. Just simply because it is ranger, doesnt mean S H I T.

That is like saying the 460(7.5l) will out do a v10(6.8) just because the 460 is bigger, But the v10 has MODERN technology making OVER 100hp more in a SMALLER engine

 

The comparison gets worse if you go for the 'top' F-150 in both years. The *most* an OBS 150 can legally tow is 7500lbs. The most an OBS 350 can legally tow is 10,000lbs.

The most a current 150 can tow? 11,300lbs. With either the 6.2L V8 or the 3.5L turbo V6. That's right, the new 150 can tow more than my OBS *350.*

It's fine and good to say you like the old trucks better. But to say the old trucks tow and haul more/better than the new ones is just stupid and makes us all look like idiots.[/quote]

Ok i agree with everything you just said, but to say the New F150 can tow more than a OBS F350 (1 ton) is just plain stupid. Ya sure the new f150 says you can tow up to 11,000lbs, and a OBS F350 says 10,000lbs. But i would NEVER trust a new or any 1/2 ton truck to tow a 11000lb 5th wheel, id rather have a OBS F350 7.3 idi or powerstroke or 460 to tow that than a F150... Its common sense its got heavier and stronger axles. Alot of this maximum weight capacity, they include alot of safety into it. Now ya a New f350 will definately out tow a OBS F350 but lets not get dumb and say a new 1/2 ton pickup will tow more than a OBS 3/4 or 1 ton pickup

 

Legally it can. That means Ford has confidence that the truck can safely tow 11,300 pounds with headroom to spare. Considering these new half-tons are bigger and heavier than some 3/4 and 1 tons of the past, I do not see why not.