Tranny problem
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could be... though the shoes were never adjusted out to the drum, after new brakes. I think before jacking it up one end at a time I may try to move it by force unless someone says that's a bad idea...
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Well I'd first jack up the whole back end and see if either wheel turns a few degrees, within the "slop" of the diff. If they do, then the brakes aren't locked up. What I really meant to ask whether the truck can be pushed on the ground, and it sounds like no. So I'm reckoning, if the wheels move a few degrees when they're off the ground, then the t-case rear output could be what's jammed up. Next step I'd say would be to disconnect the rear driveshaft from the t-case, and confirm everything from there "aft" is turning free. That would pretty-much confirm a locked-up T-case. I can't speak from experience, but I would think trying to free it up by force, using the rear axle and driveshaft and the momentum of the truck, would probably just tear up whatever's stuck inside the t-case. I'd say at that point it would be better to drop the case and open it up.
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.that ratcheting sound when putting it in park is the output shaft spinning when you had it in gear.then since no resistance to it turning when you put it in park it is attempting to engage the parking pawl.the trans ok.
that shifter problem should be first to be fixed unless the drive shaft IS missing.
if the rear end was locked there would be NO output shaft movment therefore NO ratcheting sound upon park engaement. and it would change the pich of the engine when put into gear.
that shifter problem should be first to be fixed unless the drive shaft IS missing.
if the rear end was locked there would be NO output shaft movment therefore NO ratcheting sound upon park engaement. and it would change the pich of the engine when put into gear.
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Not in his case. The T-case is stuck in neutral, and the rear output appears to be what's locked up. Or poss. the rear diff and/or the rear brakes. But with the t-case in neutral, "upstream" of the t-case, you get exactly what he's experiencing, the tranny output driving the t-case input but nothing else, and the parking pawl ratcheting when he throws it in park.
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yes, i agree the transfer case is the problem. I worded that differently than what was in my head.,
I meant if the transfer case was ok (wich it is NOT) but he stated at the beginning(or at least i read) it does not FEEL like it goes into gear. nothing is going to give that feeling of trans engaging forward or reverse or changing of engine pich until the driveline is complete. I am not commenting on a locked up condition.if he can get it to engage the driveline then go from there on the other possible concerns.
I meant if the transfer case was ok (wich it is NOT) but he stated at the beginning(or at least i read) it does not FEEL like it goes into gear. nothing is going to give that feeling of trans engaging forward or reverse or changing of engine pich until the driveline is complete. I am not commenting on a locked up condition.if he can get it to engage the driveline then go from there on the other possible concerns.
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Thanks for all the posts guys....
I'm beginning to think the problem is twofold. First if the t-case is in neutral, which is what the shifter and linkages underneath indicate, then the output shaft should turn freely. If the output shaft were stuck shouldn't stop me from shifting the t-case lever, right? Second, the sucker won't move hopefully because of the brakes being frozen (rusted). So, I guess to test all theories I should jack up the rear and see if the wheels spin, if not drop the ds and try again, if they still don't spin it's the brakes.
Now, if the above is true and it is something in the t-case that is stuck preventing me from moving the lever, then is my only/best option breaking open the tcase? This is the first vehicle I've ever owned that got more expensive by being parked...
Oh and it is still for sale... :-)
I'm beginning to think the problem is twofold. First if the t-case is in neutral, which is what the shifter and linkages underneath indicate, then the output shaft should turn freely. If the output shaft were stuck shouldn't stop me from shifting the t-case lever, right? Second, the sucker won't move hopefully because of the brakes being frozen (rusted). So, I guess to test all theories I should jack up the rear and see if the wheels spin, if not drop the ds and try again, if they still don't spin it's the brakes.
Now, if the above is true and it is something in the t-case that is stuck preventing me from moving the lever, then is my only/best option breaking open the tcase? This is the first vehicle I've ever owned that got more expensive by being parked...
Oh and it is still for sale... :-)
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Edit: Hell, if you KNOW the transfer case is in neutral, you may not even need to bother with throwing the transmission in neutral. I probably still would as an added precaution, though. Obviously, you'll want to have somebody in the truck to press the brakes if it starts rolling.
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remove the linkage rod from the transfer shift lever to the transfer case and see if you can shift the transfer case from underneath. (they are semi hard to shift without the leverage of the shift lever) if it shifts the transfer case should be ok, the shift lever fulcrum can rust after sitting for a long time with out being moved. if it does shift by had see if the engine will pull the truck. use caution not to over power something stuck or broken.
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Okay.... before Xmas I got the truck moving. The brakes were frozen, broke them loose with some gently nudging from the winch on my Landcruiser. X-fer shifter was frozen as well. I had to apply pressure with my foot to move it... Unfortunately said pressure caused the bracket to break, so now I have to replace the xfer shifter mechanism and bracket. (I'm assuming the pump looking cylinder directly below the shifter has internal moving parts and that's what froze on mine....)
Questions:
Are those little plastic "keepers" on the ends of the linkages?
Do you have to break them off and replace?
Anyone have a shifter assembly and linkages or know a good source?
Thanks... One day this truck will be completely mobile and for sale.. LOL
Questions:
Are those little plastic "keepers" on the ends of the linkages?
Do you have to break them off and replace?
Anyone have a shifter assembly and linkages or know a good source?
Thanks... One day this truck will be completely mobile and for sale.. LOL
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