Maybe one of you guys can still help without my posting a picture, I have a 68 351 that had power steering, I have removed the pump now I need to figure out how or whats needed to get the water pump pulley, alternator and dampner all lined up on the same belt.

Used to be that the dampner and the water pump and the P.S were on one belt, that allowed the tension to happen since the P.S pump could be moved. These were riding on the rear V portion of the pulleys.


The alt and dampner were on the other riding on the front V portion and of course the alt. moved to tighten the belt.

I would guess that I need a different set of Alt brackets maybe to move the Alt back and it looks like up( ? ) in order to clear the head.

The Alt is now pass side up top center of alt case is about even with valve cover if that makes any sense.

Maybe the alt needs to move from this location?

Maybe I need a different pulley on my water pump?

Any specific reference to specific vehicle I should be looking for in the boneyard for parts to make this happen would be most appreciated.

Any pictures you can give me of how to set-it up would be even better. Thanks again

 

Welcome to FTE

Please, when asking questions, list all the pertinent info: Year, model and series of truck, engine size, trans type and etc.

You have a 1968 351 what?

There was no 351 engine available until 1969: 351W .. has 6 valve cover bolts per side.

Applications: 1969/89 Passenger Cars; 1975/96 Econoline; 1981/96 F150/350 & Bronco.

351C intro'd in 1970 (8 valve cover bolts). Applications: 1970/74 Ford/Merc Passenger Cars/Ranchero's.

351M intro'd in 1975 (8 valve cover bolts). Applications: 1975/79 Ford/Merc Passenger Cars; 1977/79 F100/350; 1978/82 Bronco; 1980/82 F150/350.

 

Did not realize my mistake, thanks for the correction, mid year introduced 68 351 W that I assumed originally come out of the 68 F-350 with 4 spd trans that I yanked it out of. Thank-you for the offer of help

I guess maybe now I am back to square one, I had given an engine number or casting number of some sort a while back here and someone confirmed it to be a 351 W.

The firing order on the intake is 15426378 which according to a quick google search only applies to 260, 289, Standard 302, 352, 360, 390, 406, 427, 428, 429, 460, 514

I cant remember what number I had given before on this forum as it was better than a year ago prob. I cant seem to now find any numbers and have done a quick google search to find out where I should be looking for the numbers and this is what I came up with............Block casting numbers for a 289 / 302 / 351W are where the starter would be. Cannot see with starter installed. Head casting numbers will be under the intake ports of the cylinder head (the side facing the block's lifter valley). The intake would have to be removed in order to see those numbers with a mirror if the heads are still bolted to the block............

Before I go removing the starter can someone confirm this is what I need to do, I would have almost sworn there was a number on the driver side of the block somewhere.

Ok another google search shows that the early 351s had 16 bolts holding the intake down, mine only has 12, 6 bolts holding the valve cover down. Starting to look like Im dealing with another 302.

Im just gonna remove the starter and look for the numbers so I can put and end to this and find out what I have once and for all hopefully.

Looks like C90E-6015-C although maybe it is a 8015, hard to read

Above that is what I am assuming is a date code of 9J19

I was able to find this snippet of info here on an older thread which has me still confused............Well, the thing about casting numbers is that they only tell us the car line that the block was originally designed for and the change level (not that I've found much info on deciphering the change level numbers.)

So you already know that C9 is for 1969, O is for the Fairlane/Torino and E is for the Engine department of engineering. 6015 is the basic number for an engine block and C is the 3rd change level. (Whatever that means) But just because a block was designed for the Fairlane/Torino doesn't mean those were the only cars that block was installed in.

The casting info says that a C9OE-B is a 351W, so I would presume that your block is a 302. Is it a bare block, or is the engine complete? How much do you know about the engine, or block at this point? ...........

I guess the last paragraph is where he lost me, if the casting info says that a C9OE-B is a 351W ( same as mine ) than why presume the block is a 302?

Sounds like maybe the 302 and the 351 blocks are the same casting ( ? ) so is the variance within the heads, where would I find that number now or am I spinning my wheels because a part of the info I have already given has already answered the questions I am looking for?


Only to add more confusion I found this on-line.............Easier than checking the number is to look at it. On the custom engine below, you can see where the deck, where the heads attach, is 1" above the timing cover. On 302 (and 289) the deck is even with the timing cover.................There was no picture attached to this thread but my deck height is approx 1 inch above the timing cover.


And more confusion for me, this is on a mustang forum............

Q:Could any one help with my question. I have a 66 mustang fitted with a V8. The casting No is C90E-6015-C, is this a 351W or a 302? Many thanks Kevin.


Answer:351W

You're a lucky man! (In my opinion)

Thats enough for now, I keep searching and one site says 302 another says 351, back and for and back and forth, I dont understand why this is so confusing.

 

If someone could explain to me why all this info ( that I have posted above ) is so confusing I would appreciate it. Please if you will explain dummy it down, Im not the brightest bulb in the box, thanks

 

Block casting numbers are foundry marks, cannot be cross referenced to Ford part numbers and are usually worthless for ID'ing the engine size and what vehicles it came from.

Car or truck line has little or nothing to do with it. Example: D1VE-6015-AB has a Lincoln derived prefix (3rd digit V): This is the block casting number for:

1971/73 429 Ford/Merc Passenger Cars (429's not installed in Lincoln's) / 1971/72 Lincoln 460 / 1972 Thunderbird 460 / 1973/78 Ford & L/M 460 Passenger Cars / 1973/78, some 1979 F100/350 460 / 1975/78, some 1979 Econoline 460.

If you weren't aware of all these applications, and you found a block with this casting number, would you know its size or what it was installed in? Maybe yes, maybe no.

And, if you asked for opinions on Ford related websites inre to what size the block was, what it was used in, you might get a few correct responses, but most responses would either be "half baked" or flat wrong.

 

Thank-you very much for clearing that up, so if I were to be in need of a part ( lets say something unique to this .........351W originally installed in a 1970 Passenger Car.........what model vehicle would I say the engine is out of, you know how they ask at the counter or over the phone make and model.

I dont want to confuse the chaps and its easier to just give them a model rather than say it dont matter, just give me 351 stuff.

Also any ideas on my belt problem, the issue I started this thread over.

If you ( or anyone ) are in need of 68 F-350 parts let me know what, they are cheap and not in bad shape for the most part. My e-mail is jhason2@yahoo.com

Also I collect early Dodge Chrysler Plymouth info and have a large library of material if I can help anyone out.

 

1970: Mustang/Cougar/Fairlane/Torino/Ranchero/Montego.

Make SURE you say it's a 351W, because the 351C was also available in these cars.

Ford offered so many different V8 engines for cars 'n trucks in the 1960/70's, it's mindboggling.

I haven't delved into your belt problem yet, but will do so before dawn breaks tomorrow...here in LA LA Land, that is.

What's this? No early Imperial or DeSouse info? Swing on by, I have over 3,000 books on auto history (including all the Automobile Quarterly's).

First & foremost, I'm a Packard nut. Everything else comes in second. When I was a young 'un, learned to drive on a Chisler Windsor with Clunk-O-Matic.

 

Thanks again for the help and look forward to what you come up with, I do have some early Desoto parts books, my literature mainly consists of parts book and dealer sales related info for Dodge Brothers 1914 -38 and primarily 27-32 or so.

I also have a large collection of Graham Bros/Dodge Bros. truck info. Since your screen-name is NumberDummy I am sure you can appreciate the phrase I love my literature. Thanks again

If it would ever help I own quite a bit of original ( mid twenties....OK 24 to mid 30s ) Purolator oil filter info as well and am on the lookout for anything related to patent information of the Kingston Vacuum tank used on D.B late 20s

 

The 302 and 351W do not use the same block. The deck height (distance from the centerline of the crankshaft main journal to the block surface where the head sits) was increased on the 351W to accommodate the longer stroke of the 351. Since the heads sit farther apart the 351 intake manifold is wider than a 302. The 302 uses 7/16" diameter head bolts- the 351 uses 1/2" bolts.

 

Curious if you have made any headway on this?

 

Would seem simpler to get a water pump pulley with 2 groves, or a spacer for yours. The spacer might be bad but would get it running