Pre-Power Stroke Diesel (7.3L IDI & 6.9L) Diesel Topics Only

Just a blown head gasket?

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
  #1  
Old 06-30-2012, 02:51 PM
mildbrandd's Avatar
mildbrandd
mildbrandd is offline
New User
Thread Starter
Join Date: Feb 2012
Posts: 6
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Just a blown head gasket?

Guys I have a 7.3 IDI turbo motor in a boat and I recently had an issue with it while out at sea. I blew a hose and the motor got hot, or vice versa, I don't know... Alarm went off and I shut the boat down... just before shutting down I saw some black smoke. Not a lot, but I have never seen black smoke out of her before. No one on the boat noticed much steam until I opened the engine hatch. But sure enough the motor was 300 degrees and bone dry. I patched the hose and filled it with water but it blows white smoke when around 180 degrees. Starts and runs fine and doesn't blow white smoke until 180 degrees.

My question is... do you think I could get away with just replacing the head gaskets or is black smoke a really bad sign? I just rebuilt it 100 hours ago and it cost me almost 10 grand. I don't have a fraction of that money. The good news is it is a boat motor and I probably don't have to pull it out of the boat to fix.

Thanks

Dan
 
  #2  
Old 06-30-2012, 06:23 PM
farmert's Avatar
farmert
farmert is offline
Logistics Pro
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: western SD
Posts: 4,742
Received 520 Likes on 253 Posts
I would say the black smoke was probably from the increased friction from the high temps, making the motor work harder. Hopefull it didn't score a piston when this happened. Either way it looks as if the heads have to come off. Good luck!
 
  #3  
Old 06-30-2012, 07:07 PM
Bonanza35's Avatar
Bonanza35
Bonanza35 is offline
Lead Driver

Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Norco,CA
Posts: 9,331
Received 140 Likes on 100 Posts
I agree. Pull the heads. You can do a compression test to see where they are leaking. Surface and reinstall shoud be good.
Chet
 
  #4  
Old 07-01-2012, 08:52 PM
mildbrandd's Avatar
mildbrandd
mildbrandd is offline
New User
Thread Starter
Join Date: Feb 2012
Posts: 6
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Thanks for the advice... I think I will just pull the heads and replace the gaskets since they are only 33 dollars each. Will I be able to leave the motor in the boat to pull the heads? You only need access to the top of the motor right, you shouldn't need to get to the rear of the motor, right?

Thanks

Dan
 
  #5  
Old 07-01-2012, 11:52 PM
lemonshindig's Avatar
lemonshindig
lemonshindig is offline
Laughing Gas
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Port Orchard, WA
Posts: 859
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Just the top, yes. You can leave it in the boat if you want, but the heads are HEAVY. You could very easily throw your back out lifting them. Plus, maneuvering them back into place will prove a challenge.
 
  #6  
Old 07-02-2012, 12:15 PM
David85's Avatar
David85
David85 is offline
Lead Driver
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Campbell River, B.C.
Posts: 6,900
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts
The bare head castings are about 95lbs each. You will need access to the side to remove the exhaust manifolds, but I'm not sure how cramped your engine bay is. Black smoke could also be from lost compression when the gasket failed.

I agree pulling the heads will be your first step no matter what you do. You can inspect the pistons and cylinder walls and then decide your course. You may also want to have the heads checked for warping or cracks.

Also, you must loosen the head bolts in the opposite sequence of torquing them down, or you may crack the head.
 
  #7  
Old 07-02-2012, 09:27 PM
mildbrandd's Avatar
mildbrandd
mildbrandd is offline
New User
Thread Starter
Join Date: Feb 2012
Posts: 6
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by David85
The bare head castings are about 95lbs each. You will need access to the side to remove the exhaust manifolds, but I'm not sure how cramped your engine bay is. Black smoke could also be from lost compression when the gasket failed.

I agree pulling the heads will be your first step no matter what you do. You can inspect the pistons and cylinder walls and then decide your course. You may also want to have the heads checked for warping or cracks.

Also, you must loosen the head bolts in the opposite sequence of torquing them down, or you may crack the head.

Really good advice there... I did not know you had to go opposite sequence. Can I reuse the bolts? I heard that most people get new ones. It would be nice if the black smoke was form lost compression. How would I be able to tell if the cylinders were scorched?

Dan
 
  #8  
Old 07-05-2012, 02:43 AM
David85's Avatar
David85
David85 is offline
Lead Driver
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Campbell River, B.C.
Posts: 6,900
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts
You can reuse the head bolts provided the outer ones are not pitted. Sometimes they get rusty and may not clamp well enough if reused. Also be sure to thoroughly clean the threads in the block and on the bolts to eliminate as much potential friction as possible. Any drag there will weaken the clamping force available at the rated torque.

Don't know about scorching of the cylinder walls, but I would take a good hard look at the head gaskets when you get them out. That will tell you the extent of the failure and it could be all that went wrong.

Other then that, what you want to see is a smooth cross hatch on the cylinder walls. Any deep, vertical gouges would not be a good sign.
 
  #9  
Old 07-05-2012, 03:36 PM
Bonanza35's Avatar
Bonanza35
Bonanza35 is offline
Lead Driver

Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Norco,CA
Posts: 9,331
Received 140 Likes on 100 Posts
Great advise Dave85. Just run a tape down the head bolt holes and on the bolts. If not pitted bolts should be okay.

Chet
 
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
heathrunkles
1994.5 - 1997 7.3L Power Stroke Diesel
14
04-23-2012 06:03 AM
dcassidy
1980 - 1986 Bullnose F100, F150 & Larger F-Series Trucks
260
11-02-2009 09:13 PM
hoggester
1987 - 1996 F150 & Larger F-Series Trucks
9
04-12-2007 05:43 PM
ctrout
Small Block V8 (221, 260, 289, 5.0/302, 5.8/351W)
6
08-14-2005 05:08 PM
Rew
FE & FT Big Block V8 (332, 352, 360, 390, 406, 410, 427, 428)
5
02-23-2004 01:19 AM



Quick Reply: Just a blown head gasket?



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 04:08 AM.