428 Crank Options
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428 Crank Options
So what can one do with a 428 Crank shaft? I have a drippy 360 that I could tune up, 2 too different Cylinder heads too 1 is a c8aee and the other is d2teaa, would I be able to use these heads with a 428 crank? What cylinders should I go with? What is the general charge for a machine shop to clean and assemble a block? your 2c is appreciated..
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Shane, 1st you will have to have the matching flywheel or flex plate if auto. You have the first piece worth as much as the rest of the engine, to build a 410, an engine built for only 2 years and only offered in the Mercury.
There are much better fire breathing packages out there but if you want something that will pull boxcars the 410 will.
Some of the builders here can offer the rest of the package better than me.
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There are much better fire breathing packages out there but if you want something that will pull boxcars the 410 will.
Some of the builders here can offer the rest of the package better than me.
John
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John's got you on the right track - a 360 block, bored a bit to clean it up, 410 pistons (or maybe even low-compression 390 pistons, Ford used 410 pistons to make low compression 390s for trucks), and it's a GO!
The C8AE-H and D2TE-A heads were identical except for induction-hardened exhaust valve seats on the D2's. I would put exhaust seats in them, and then both heads would be 100% identical except for the casting number on the outside.
The C8AE-H and D2TE-A heads were identical except for induction-hardened exhaust valve seats on the D2's. I would put exhaust seats in them, and then both heads would be 100% identical except for the casting number on the outside.
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I used a set of d2teaa heads for my 428. They were already freshly redone with machining and guides and such and I researched into them and also found them to be a good flowing head. I did have bigger stainless cj valves installed with proper matching valve springs too. I used my stock 390 flywheel on mine that the machine shop just drilled in spots to balance the entire rotating assembly. Mines a 4 speed not sure in the auto differences. Harmonic balancer is still from my 390 as well. A 410 or 428 will need to be internally balanced. That cost $300 at my shop.
My 428 goes like stink! Drove it home down the back roads last nite around 1am and it has LOTS of pull in every gear even with 44's. Blows away my stock truck with a stock 400m and 31's. Lol
My 428 goes like stink! Drove it home down the back roads last nite around 1am and it has LOTS of pull in every gear even with 44's. Blows away my stock truck with a stock 400m and 31's. Lol
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John's got you on the right track - a 360 block, bored a bit to clean it up, 410 pistons (or maybe even low-compression 390 pistons, Ford used 410 pistons to make low compression 390s for trucks), and it's a GO!
The C8AE-H and D2TE-A heads were identical except for induction-hardened exhaust valve seats on the D2's. I would put exhaust seats in them, and then both heads would be 100% identical except for the casting number on the outside.
The C8AE-H and D2TE-A heads were identical except for induction-hardened exhaust valve seats on the D2's. I would put exhaust seats in them, and then both heads would be 100% identical except for the casting number on the outside.
Be advised, the 410 was designed with a bit over 10:1 CR (10.2:1 IIRC), so higher grade fuel and careful attention to the ignition timing are needed.
The 410 and truck 390 shared the same rod/piston. In the 410, it made for a 10:1+ CR, but in the 390 that was closer to 8:1 as there was an additional .100 gap between the piston and head.
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Cost varies. The cost of the crank & flywheel/flexplate, and the 390(410) rods/pistons being the biggest variable. The rest is pretty much the same as the cost to build a 360 or 390. It all depends on what you put in/on it.
It's a bit cheaper to build if you have a 390 to start with, rather than a 360, but only because you won't have to source a complete set of rods.
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The seller also has the rods I could get them if needed, what are my options with a 360 since I don't have a 390, what to do??
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First take a look at my other thread: Interesting engine theory read! - Ford Truck Enthusiasts Forums
Ok now a quick history lesson. 360 pistons are high compression 390 4V pistons. Ford was too lazy to make decent pistons for the 360, so they used 390 4V pistons and called it good. There are a few different types of 390 pistons, most with a dish of varying size. Some are particularly bad, and sit down the hole quite a bit and give astonishingly low compression. It's easiest to just specify 360 pistons. Impossible to screw up and get the wrong thing that way.
360 pistons get the piston real close to the deck at TDC, providing good quench. This gives you the most powerful and efficient 390 you can get.
Now go back and read my other thread. Understand?
Ok now a quick history lesson. 360 pistons are high compression 390 4V pistons. Ford was too lazy to make decent pistons for the 360, so they used 390 4V pistons and called it good. There are a few different types of 390 pistons, most with a dish of varying size. Some are particularly bad, and sit down the hole quite a bit and give astonishingly low compression. It's easiest to just specify 360 pistons. Impossible to screw up and get the wrong thing that way.
360 pistons get the piston real close to the deck at TDC, providing good quench. This gives you the most powerful and efficient 390 you can get.
Now go back and read my other thread. Understand?
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The 410 used the same rod as the 390, but with the longer stroke. To compensate, it used a shorter piston. Compression was 10.5 : 1, a little high for pump gas and a truck, depending on heads, cams etc.
Ford, wanting low compression in PU engines used the 410 piston in the PU 390s. This results in a down the hole piston and low compression. And, no quench and poor fuel economy. But it holds up well.
So, if you are going to build a 410, you can go with OEM pistons or aftermarket pistons. But 360 pistons are going to hit the heads. Ford used a 390 car piston on a longer rod with a shorter stroke in the 360, again giving the down the hole piston & low compression.
So, you can use the 410 in a 390 to make it a low compression motor, but you can't use a 390 or 360 piston in a 410.
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