smoking like a coal fire....
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Laughing Gas
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From: Portal, AZ
smoking like a coal fire....
From what I have read and been told its could be injectors or egr.
It smells like fuel bad leads me to injectors?
I hqve two more days of this job im on then i can test it properly.
I have 2?
Can i keep running for another 200 miles
Anything i can do in an hour or two to help it out?
It smells like fuel bad leads me to injectors?
I hqve two more days of this job im on then i can test it properly.
I have 2?
Can i keep running for another 200 miles
Anything i can do in an hour or two to help it out?
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Laughing Gas
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From: Portal, AZ
Black smoke warm, couldn't tell in the morning too high of winds and dark.
In the morning it had near zero acceleration, I always wait until my temp is up before I drive off.
I shut it down double checked fluids looked for obvious probs under hood. All looked in order.
On restart it took way too long to start and had rough idle. It accelerated slower then usual but cruises well. When they sun came out i noticed the smoke. Bilowed out so bad you could not see through it on acceleration.
In the morning it had near zero acceleration, I always wait until my temp is up before I drive off.
I shut it down double checked fluids looked for obvious probs under hood. All looked in order.
On restart it took way too long to start and had rough idle. It accelerated slower then usual but cruises well. When they sun came out i noticed the smoke. Bilowed out so bad you could not see through it on acceleration.
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Laughing Gas
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From: Portal, AZ
Sorry for bad spelling and odd language, useing phone on breaks to post and check.
Forgot to say its an 04 350, 03 engine. no mods.
Thanks gang hopefully I will be ableto contribute soon rather then leech info
Forgot to say its an 04 350, 03 engine. no mods.
Thanks gang hopefully I will be ableto contribute soon rather then leech info
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Does the truck rough idle/skip at idle? Not sure what's around you, but you might take it by an AutoZone or ORielly's to see what codes it's got. If it's an injector...it should throw a contribution/balance code. Wouldn't hurt to check your engine oil to make sure your not "making oil" by diesel leaking down. If you've got diesel in it, the strong smell of the fuel could be there.
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Laughing Gas
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From: Portal, AZ
Got home okay same issues, started fine, rough idle, white smoke when at idle then black cloud when accelerating.
Was able to get a ride for tomorrow, will get scan tool and clean egr tues.
Still no CEL...
thanks again will update on tues after inspection.
Was able to get a ride for tomorrow, will get scan tool and clean egr tues.
Still no CEL...
thanks again will update on tues after inspection.
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From: Saratoga Springs,UT
Sounds like an Injector Is STUCK ON
Black Smoke and Exhaust that smells strong of Diesel Fuel points to Injector and or FICM
From the Sound of symtoms sounds like Overfuel from Bad Injector
I would NOT Drive it till repaired
You risk Hydrolock or Burning a Piston up and or Small chance HeadGasket may Blow
This sounds like a Good Plan of Attack
Remember to scan for DTC you still might have one in there even with NO CEL ON!!
Then Check the FICM Volts need 47-49volts at ALL Times
Unplug the wire connector at the EGR Valve with the truck off this will disable EGR Valve in CLOSED Position. See if this Helps I kinda Doubt it will though.
If you Buy a Scan Tool you Really Need a AE with FORD Enhanced to be able to do a Cylinder Balance test and Injector Buzz Test. A ScanGaugeII is a Great Tool but Falls short on some Diagnostic procedure for Injectors.
If you Dont have Money for a AE I have a couple tricks up my Sleeve as well as some the other FTE Members and Techs to figure what inject Died if that turns out to be the Case.
One trick is to do a Bubble Test
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Laughing Gas
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Thanks Blade!
Ill research all the testing tomorrow night and hit it strong tues morn. Can't have my truck down for too long. No truck = no money in most cases for me luckily not so on this job.
Ill research all the testing tomorrow night and hit it strong tues morn. Can't have my truck down for too long. No truck = no money in most cases for me luckily not so on this job.
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From: Saratoga Springs,UT
Ya I hear you on time thing I Haul stuff in my truck everyday for work
Dont Drive it though till fix
Might be worth letting the dealer fix it so not down so long. Its goung to take a Day to change an injector first time
where is your ICP sensor at??????under the turbo in back or in the Passenger side Valve cover?????
Depending what location ICP Sensor at will determine what extra Seals/Gaskets stuff you might need to change while your In there
Being 04 there were some changes depending on Exact Build Date
Dont Drive it though till fix
Might be worth letting the dealer fix it so not down so long. Its goung to take a Day to change an injector first time
where is your ICP sensor at??????under the turbo in back or in the Passenger side Valve cover?????
Depending what location ICP Sensor at will determine what extra Seals/Gaskets stuff you might need to change while your In there
Being 04 there were some changes depending on Exact Build Date
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Laughing Gas
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From: Portal, AZ
sorry for updating so late in the game.
short of it is that it was the #2 injector, ended up being cracked. truck is running great couldn't be happier.
long version,
I was able to borrow a truck until the jobs I had lined up were over thats why update was so late. Once I had time I decided to just take it in to Diesel Tech in San Jacinto, Ca I only mention them b/c they were great and helped me out with my budget restrictions. my decision to take it was based mainly on that the labor cost was equal to the cost of "AE with FORD Enhanced" will still be ordering it, but not until I get a bigger buffer in the checking account.
Down side once I got there the truck vapor locked and burned out starter. Something to think about for those want to just keep on driving like i did. Also figured it there whats another hour of labor costs? had them change oil and filter too.
My brother took a pic of the smoke cloud as it was coming out of the pipe once I get that from him ill post it to help out someone researching their own probs.
anyhow thanks again guys,
especially Blade 35 you rock
short of it is that it was the #2 injector, ended up being cracked. truck is running great couldn't be happier.
long version,
I was able to borrow a truck until the jobs I had lined up were over thats why update was so late. Once I had time I decided to just take it in to Diesel Tech in San Jacinto, Ca I only mention them b/c they were great and helped me out with my budget restrictions. my decision to take it was based mainly on that the labor cost was equal to the cost of "AE with FORD Enhanced" will still be ordering it, but not until I get a bigger buffer in the checking account.
Down side once I got there the truck vapor locked and burned out starter. Something to think about for those want to just keep on driving like i did. Also figured it there whats another hour of labor costs? had them change oil and filter too.
My brother took a pic of the smoke cloud as it was coming out of the pipe once I get that from him ill post it to help out someone researching their own probs.
anyhow thanks again guys,
especially Blade 35 you rock
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Those 2003 engines are notorious for that type of injector failure. My concern is when you mention the injector was CRACKED. Cracked how and where? If there were any broken pieces of it still left in the engine, I don't want to imagine how long it will be before you lose cylinder #2.
For what it's worth, I had a 2003 truck about three months ago that lost a cylinder #3 injector. The owner had brought it to me just in time. When I pulled it, the tiny nut that secures the spool valve had dropped!!! LUCKILY, it was sitting on top of the rocker arm carrier, because if it had've fallen into the crankcase, it WOULD get sucked up into the oil pump, taking it out as well as the oil cooler and everything else oil passes through in the process!!!
For what it's worth, I had a 2003 truck about three months ago that lost a cylinder #3 injector. The owner had brought it to me just in time. When I pulled it, the tiny nut that secures the spool valve had dropped!!! LUCKILY, it was sitting on top of the rocker arm carrier, because if it had've fallen into the crankcase, it WOULD get sucked up into the oil pump, taking it out as well as the oil cooler and everything else oil passes through in the process!!!
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