Well said, and we who choose to delete it for engine reliability/better mpg, not to pollute or spite the epa.

 

Yes works great for a Gasser but like you say Tex diffrent Fuel the gasser produces less soot and they dont try and cool it

What works for a Gasser dont work to well for a Diesel very well
When a Gasser has a EGR System Failure it dont KILL the Engine

IMO Diesel needs something Diffrent way to reduce the emissions Im all for reduced Emissions and smaller carbon Footprint just NOT when a emission componet Failure will cost so HIGH or even Catastropic like when EGR Cooler lets go and dumps coolant into cylinders


A few years back I had heard Uncle SAM had been thinking of going to a OBDIII system that would give them the ability to monitor every Auto Emission just like say GM Product On Star that gives them the ability to Track a Vehicle. Actualy the way I understood it the Vehicle would report if out of spec

 

And dont let my Avitar Mislead anyone LOL

 

I believe that that particular demographic is much much much smaller then your comment would make it seem. Especially the spiting the EPA.

Engine reliability is debatable. I throw more heat, more HP, more fuel, more stress then the majority of y'all and I'm running the same cooler that my truck came with. My experience should not exist. It shouldn't.

Now if I was stock or just tuned, then I would say I was lucky. But y'all are saying that these components are crap in stock form. I'm well beyond stock and I'm still going. So I think that there is something else going on, particularly when it comes to the owners of these vehicles.

You have to remember, people at first thought the EGR cooler was the root cause of their going bad. Turned out to be the oil cooler being plugged up first. What else could people be wrong about? People still believe that about the EGR cooler that it's the root cause, despite the evidence to the contrary. What else are people getting wrong?

I agree to a point. But there are work arounds that are successful to where you don't have to do things illegally. This is more the case if you don't use these trucks as a truck. I didn't know all that I knew and I was doing some dumb things, but I was also using my truck as a truck.

Costs always go up. Emission failure costs are higher for the 6.4s and even higher still for the 6.7s. That's the nature of the beast no matter what you talk about, because there are other factors coming into play here outside just the emissions equipment themselves.

As to cooler dumping coolant into the cylinders. Do you know that I do not know of one person personally that has had that issue? Not one. Now oil cooler plugging, causing egr cooler to go bad, yes and quite a few. So I have to wonder just how common is that issue versus how common the oil cooler incident out in the real world and if the coolant dumping incident is just one of those rarer incidents but has a very high risk value associated with them?


Tech is already here on that. I had heard the same thing, I think back in 08. It's not that far from actually being implemented. That would violate some freedoms though. Way to easy for that to be abused if it does go through, but it is possible to being implemented. Just depends on how we take to it before those bills are passed.

 

Well my thought on this^^^^ is it DONT Matter How the EGR Cooler Failed be it on its own or Because the Oil Cooler Plugged my point is it Failed and when it did 50% of the time (just a Guesstimate) it is a Catastropic Failure. I am also Counting each one that Hydrolocked as a Catastropic Failure Even though MOST do get repaired and drive away. The Problem with those that Hydrolock is the connecting rod wriste pin assembly gets Tweeked and so it will Fail premature down the road when the wrist pin wears and throws a rod threw the Block.

Just an EGR system Failure on a Gasser isnt anywhere neer as Bad as what happens on these Diesels

Bet there would be a Change if all these Gassers started Blowing up over an EGR System



You dont consider this a Free Country Do you????LOL

 

It does matter though.

Let me ask you this, would you think different of a situation if a person came on here damned the 6.0 because of their head gaskets issues and that's all you knew. Now compare that to the same situation, but you found out that they were running an Edge programmer on Level 5 and driving the truck like a bat out of hell as soon as they get in it each and every time.

Both result in the same failure. Would you think differently if you know how/why the part failed versus just knowing the part failed?


Not knowing why the EGR Cooler fails is precisely why people had repeat EGR fixes. They didn't know that it was the Oil Cooler crapping out and that causes the EGR Cooler to go. If you don't know why something fails, how can you fix it? All you can do is treat the symptoms and hope for the best.

 

I'm sure glad I don't live in Cal!!! That's why our trucks are built the way they are

 

Yes I see what you mean

But IMO its easier to Cause Self Inflicted HeadGasket Failure vs the EGR/Oil cooler Failure. You could Baby the truck and still have Oil/Egr cooler failures

And Shure one could also cause Self Inflicted Oil/EGR Cooler Failures with wrong coolant or Improper Maintenance of the coolant.

Just like a thread we BOTH replied to awhile back where the guy was on his 4th oil cooler or whatever And He was **********ing Ford for Bad design and one of us asked him if he had been flushing the Cooling system each time and his reply was NO at that point it Dawned on him that He was his worst enemy. Remember that ???



So yes I would think diffrently^^^to a Point


But when they figured it out and Oil coolers Failed from being plugged with casting sand its obvious the Owners didnt create the failures and it was a manufacture cause

Your situation running more Fuel and horse power and more heat and still being on the original Coolers supports the fact most Coolers failed on there own and not because the Owner neglected it or Pushed it beyond its limits and the majoirity failed under normal operating condition



For the Most part Im with you Here too^^^



But when it was Figured out why the repeat failures were reoccuring there should have been a Recall notice go out to Flash the PCM with the Info to turn on the CEL when Deltas are out of spec

spend 40-50K for a truck we shouldnt have to worrrey about oil coolers ect.. should go 100K without much problem IMO

 

Babying the truck is what you should not do once you are up to operating temps. That's the worse thing that you can do.

Most owners wouldn't have that dawn on them or if they did, wouldn't admit to it.


No it doesn't support that they failed on their own or that the majority failed under normal operating conditions. In fact, I would say that the majority of 6.0s were operated under less then normal conditions. You have to remember the time period in which the 6.0 was at market. There was a huge truck owning population out there using these trucks for conditions that were not normal for it, nor good for these trucks especially with new emissions controls without doing something extra.

I would say that the majority of truck owners out there today have a tuner. It's hard not to run into someone that doesn't have a tuner nowadays. That automatically takes the truck out of the realm of normal operation. Now having tuners might be the normal conditions, but it's not the normal conditions for which these were designed to be under. Too many different products out there, with far too many different tunes (especially when getting into custom tunes), different driving styles, there is no way that any auto company can make a vehicle idiot proof with those conditions.



You would think that, but you place too much faith. I know a person that spent over 100k on a vehicle and his tranny didn't last 10k miles. It happens no matter what you spend for the vehicle. Man made doesn't know the difference by price.

 

you probably saw this today here is a egr cooler Failure with good Deltas so they say

https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1...l#post11882270

one of very few cases a egr cooler failed on its own

 

Actually I've been feeling like crap for most of the day, so this is the first I'm seeing it.

However, I do have to wonder exactly what they mean by "BUT my question is should I also replace the oil cooler anyway even if it appears good."

What exactly is going into that determination of "appears good"?

However, I don't want you think that I was trying to say earlier that an EGR can't fail on its own, my question was what are the odds of that type of failure versus a plugged oil cooler causing an EGR cooler to go? There is always going to be the unlucky bugger that beats the odds and gets the weird low probability failures. Man made nothing is above failure (remember the 100k+ car's tranny failure with less then 10k on the odometer?), but that doesn't mean I'm going to rush out there to my truck and see if mine is leaking.

 

Ya Im with ya Tex

I dont know what got figured into the equasion of Good Oil Cooler either

Looks like they assume oil cooler is OK from the Deltas being within 15* of one another

But whoes to say a Bad temp sender isnt in the Mix and they dont know it

But it did just look like the EGR Cooler had failed on its own But I could be premature in saying that EGR Cooler Failed on its own too

 

So which tuner can be used to turn off the erg electronically, I have already done a delete and want to turn off the CEL.

 

Any tuner that allows for custom tuning should be able to electronically shut off the function.