Alternative Fuels
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I'm doing a research paper on alternative fuels for future cars and I was just wondering what everyones opinion was on this topic....Feel free to let your mind and fingers wander.
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We'll probably have to switch someday, be it from necessity or gov't. If the price is comparable, and the performance is too, why not? I know it isnt now, but things take time. I'm personally more interested in Biodiesel, and a lot of people are running blends of it, although it is more expensive. Good for supporting ag prices too.
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Hi,
I believe that there are many Ideas available in the drawers of the Oil lobby.
These Ideas should be go forward but I don't believe that the developments are still in progress as long as oil is available.
Biodiesel...... is to expensive and not everywhere available
Hydrogen.....good Idea but what happens if millions of vehicles uses that technoligy??? Always raining everywhere???
Gas..............a little bit dangerous
Electric.........still to expensive and not very fast. May be some day it's possible to build an electrical engine with enough power and a induktiv generator system which is able to supply the needed power by itself...who knows???
I have the future in my mind: the anti gravitaion engine powered by garbage
Jens
I believe that there are many Ideas available in the drawers of the Oil lobby.
These Ideas should be go forward but I don't believe that the developments are still in progress as long as oil is available.
Biodiesel...... is to expensive and not everywhere available
Hydrogen.....good Idea but what happens if millions of vehicles uses that technoligy??? Always raining everywhere???
Gas..............a little bit dangerous
Electric.........still to expensive and not very fast. May be some day it's possible to build an electrical engine with enough power and a induktiv generator system which is able to supply the needed power by itself...who knows???
I have the future in my mind: the anti gravitaion engine powered by garbage
Jens
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I read somewhere about using hydrogen peroxide, which is jet fuel I think. Way faster than gasoline, I like
I also read that we would have to burn coal or use nuclear power to split hydrogen was water. So it would be a trade off, no gain. And the hydrogen powered car gets 48mpg at a whopping 38mph. yippy
And it requires 2 SUV's and a van full of parts to keep it running, thats how unreliable they are.
Thanks for all your opinions, my report is going great
I also read that we would have to burn coal or use nuclear power to split hydrogen was water. So it would be a trade off, no gain. And the hydrogen powered car gets 48mpg at a whopping 38mph. yippy And it requires 2 SUV's and a van full of parts to keep it running, thats how unreliable they are. Thanks for all your opinions, my report is going great
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Im waiting for the Big 3 to figure out how to recycle all my empty budweiser cans and 12 ga. shells into horsepower. 
Rich
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This is right up my alley. I just did a science project on hydrogen and alternative ways to acquire it. We won second at state for (team project and we got screwed in judging, oh and a guy is gonna put it up on a website along with a slide show i'll post the site when it gets done). Anyway you can get hydrogen from other sources one being water which i believe is the best way and it can be done in three different ways which are electrolysis, sound(can't tell about this one cause it will be my project for next year hopefully), and superheating it. Anyway basically what me and my partner found it is that water has the ability to be seperated fast enough to be used as a direct fuel source for a fuel, or engine directly with no polution other than water vapour, which in turn could be recycled and reused to get really really milage. We did this using electrolysis and a couple car batteries. Anyway once there is a way to supply hydrogen to the public thats safe and clean (this is where we had the idea and the purpose) hydrogen will take over as the main fuel for the future.
If you want me to e-mail you a copy of our paper i can e-mail it to you or anyone else that is interested.(its corel and 27 pages long).
If you want me to e-mail you a copy of our paper i can e-mail it to you or anyone else that is interested.(its corel and 27 pages long).
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Sure, I'd like a copy of your paper. I'm starting to get really interested in this stuff. send it to max_daddy(No Email Addresses In Posts!)
Thanks alot!!
send it to max_daddy(No Email Addresses In Posts!)Thanks alot!!
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Jet fuel is kerosene which is just diesel fuel.
I think that methane and propane are viable sources for altenative fuels. I am more interested in seeing ethanol being introduced into our gasoline at rates more like 60/40 and 50/50 for lubrication purposes. This would create a huge market for agriculture. Anybody that says that we can live off of Hemp is living a lie. It takes far too many chemicals to produce that fuel similar to biodiesel, who would want to eat that stuff anyways and smoking it is far too dangerous. Good luck with your research I will try to find my paper on bio fuels.
I think that methane and propane are viable sources for altenative fuels. I am more interested in seeing ethanol being introduced into our gasoline at rates more like 60/40 and 50/50 for lubrication purposes. This would create a huge market for agriculture. Anybody that says that we can live off of Hemp is living a lie. It takes far too many chemicals to produce that fuel similar to biodiesel, who would want to eat that stuff anyways and smoking it is far too dangerous. Good luck with your research I will try to find my paper on bio fuels.
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Originally posted by Boss50
I read somewhere about using hydrogen peroxide, which is jet fuel I think.
I read somewhere about using hydrogen peroxide, which is jet fuel I think.
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Originally posted by mattsbox99
I am more interested in seeing ethanol being introduced into our gasoline at rates more like 60/40 and 50/50 for lubrication purposes. This would create a huge market for agriculture.
I am more interested in seeing ethanol being introduced into our gasoline at rates more like 60/40 and 50/50 for lubrication purposes. This would create a huge market for agriculture.
Why on earth would we use quality farm land for the production of fuel when we can't feed the people on the planet? I'm not talking about some pie in the sky we need to feed all the starving people of the world either, I'm talking you and me. If it wasn't for government subisidies the agriculture business and the world we live in would be drastically different. Agriculture is not a self sufficient industry right now.
Input cost are far more than we can hope to get in return. It takes massive amounts of energy to produce those crops, let alone the impact on the environment. Ethanol is an outdated idea from the 60's IMHO. The technology for it's production has existed since then and been continually advanced, and yet it has never become an economic or desirable alternative. The simple fact is that if it were not government mandated and subsidized in an ill conceived effort to be more "green", ethanol would not exist as an alternative today.
Is it a good idea to use agricultural byproducts to produce ethanol? Sure, but to grow crops strictly for that purpose, and to mandate a 60/40 or some similar mixture is NOT a good idea.
Waxy
P.S. mattsbox99, Lubrication purposes? Please explain.
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Originally posted by mattsbox99
Jet fuel is kerosene which is just diesel fuel.
Jet fuel is kerosene which is just diesel fuel.
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Agriculture will never be a self-sustainable industry unless you want to pay many times the amount you do now for food. I'm not saying it shouldn't be, but right now it isn't going to happen.
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Millions of bushels of corn and wheat go unused because of low prices and low demand because of foreign competition. Ethanol alone is a poor lubricator compared to gasoline. In South America they have 85/15 ethanol/gasoline mixtures and the vehicles burn cleaner and cheaper. If we don't at least explore alternative fuels fo the meantime, like right now. Ethanol is the only fuel that will work in all gasoline engines right now. THIS IS A SHORT TERM SOLUTION!