Notices
General NON-Automotive Conversation No Political, Sexual or Religious topics please.

Alternative Fuels

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old May 12, 2003 | 10:31 AM
  #31  
Waxy's Avatar
Waxy
Postmaster
Joined: Feb 2002
Posts: 3,496
Likes: 0
From: Calgary Canada
Alternative Fuels

76Supercab,

The simple answer to your question is that bio diesel/ethanol, are currently produced at an energy deficit, ie, more energy (fuel, fertilizer, pesticides, herbicides, machinery, actual production of the fuel itself) goes into the production of the biomass than the biomass can produce.

The only reason the biofuels idea is relevent is because the biomass used in it's production is currently waste or a byproduct. I agree that finding a method to use this otherwise waste material definately has merit. However, growing crops (even hemp) strictly for the production of biofuels is not an environmentally or economically sound idea.

Biofuels are somewhat self defeating. They are marginally economic to produce with the current price of biomass - ie FREE(only subisidies make them at all competetive). Like you stated, if this biomass begins to have a value, not only will it affect those producing it, for the good and the bad, but it will seriously strain the economic aspects of biofuel production.

Waxy
 
Reply
Old May 12, 2003 | 05:29 PM
  #32  
76supercab2's Avatar
76supercab2
Postmaster
Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 4,043
Likes: 4
Alternative Fuels

That is sort of what I expect but I want to find out for sure. I have a pretty good idea of what an acre of land will produce in the way of waste material for corn/milo and soybeans in tons. I haven't been able to find any info on the yeild per ton for biomass diesel. BDV if you know of a good site with that info point me to it.
 
Reply
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
tomtoc
General NON-Automotive Conversation
21
Jun 9, 2007 07:07 AM
ExplorerSp0084
General NON-Automotive Conversation
12
Sep 18, 2003 02:15 PM




All times are GMT -5. The time now is 02:54 PM.

story-0
10 Ways Ford is LOSING to the Competition

Slideshow: 10 ways Ford is losing to the competition

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-06-15 09:52:01


VIEW MORE
story-1
Top 6 Best Deals Available on New Fords & Lincolns Right Now

Some great targets in today's expensive world.

By Brett Foote | 2026-06-15 09:35:19


VIEW MORE
story-2
This Hennessey Takes the Expedition Tremor's Off-Roading Capability to the Next Level

Slideshow: The VelociRaptor Expedition gains a lift, upgraded suspension, Brembo brakes, and trail-ready equipment while retaining the stock 440-horsepower EcoBoost V6.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-06-12 11:01:55


VIEW MORE
story-3
Top 10 Fords at 2026 Carlisle Ford Nationals

Slideshow: Top 10 Fords at 2026 Ford Nationals

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-06-09 11:10:08


VIEW MORE
story-4
3 Best / 3 Worst Parts of Modern Ford Ownership

Based on years of owning multiple modern Ford products.

By Brett Foote | 2026-06-09 10:53:36


VIEW MORE
story-5
10 Amazing Upgrades That Solve Common Ford Truck Owner Headaches

SPONSORED: From muddy boots to rain-soaked cargo, these upgrades address some of the most common frustrations Ford truck owners face every day.

By Pouria Savadkouei | 2026-06-08 18:50:34


VIEW MORE
story-6
Every 2026 Ford Engine Explained

Here's everything you need to know about every Ford engine available for the 2026 model year.

By Brett Foote | 2026-06-05 12:58:01


VIEW MORE
story-7
10 Ugly Ford Trucks That We Still Kinda Love

Slideshow: 10 ugly Ford trucks that we still kinda love.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-06-03 09:51:16


VIEW MORE
story-8
10 Things Every Truck Owner NEEDS (2026 Edition)

Slideshow: the best gifts for dads & grads

By Michael S. Palmer | 2026-06-03 15:43:58


VIEW MORE
story-9
Rezvani's Latest Post-Apocalyptic Monster Is a Ford F-150 Raptor Underneath

Slideshow: Called the Fortress, the 850-horsepower pickup combines Raptor underpinnings with military-inspired features, survival equipment, and a starting price of $285,000.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-06-03 11:38:36


VIEW MORE