GCWR opinion
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Laughing Gas
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GCWR opinion
I have an '03 F250 recently converted to 4wd using ALL undercarriage parts from an '06 F250 FX4. My original GCWR was 20k. Now, all parts involved in suspension and stoppage of the truck are from the '06 which has a GCWR of 23k. What is my GCWR? Do I have an argument for the higher GCWR in the event that I get stopped? Thanks in advance.
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Your GCWR is 20k. Suspension and brakes are not the only factors in determining GCWR. So is performance, cooling, etc.
You also may note that nowhere on the truck does it state GCWR.
You also may note that nowhere on the truck does it state GCWR.
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Laughing Gas
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Thanks for replying. What did you mean by the last comment about not being listed on the truck? Just general info, or is that an important point? Also, the truck is a 6 liter diesel, as is the donor truck. Is there any difference in performance or cooling between these 2 trucks, or for that matter an F350 with the same engine? I'm not trying to be difficult, but rather gathering information. Thanks.
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Doesn't really matter what your GCWR is. GCWR is not a legal limit.
GVWR is a legal limit and isn't changed because ofvthe mods you did. As long as your truck isn't over its GVWR and the trailer isn't over its GVWR, you aren't breaking any laws.
GVWR is a legal limit and isn't changed because ofvthe mods you did. As long as your truck isn't over its GVWR and the trailer isn't over its GVWR, you aren't breaking any laws.
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Laughing Gas
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Unfortunately, it appears that I just about can't haul anything as the GVWR is only 8800# for an '03 F250. My truck pushes 8k now. The family and a 4-wheeler is technically illegal.
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I believe they are all the same. The trans cooler changed sizes in 2005, but the cooling capacity is the same on each
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GVWR isn't necessarily a legal limit either. It depends on the state laws. I've carried a 3000 pound slide in camper in my truck that has a GVWR of 8800 and weighs about 7500 empty. I've spent a great deal of time looking through Oregon laws and have never found anything that says that was illegal.
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GVWR isn't necessarily a legal limit either. It depends on the state laws. I've carried a 3000 pound slide in camper in my truck that has a GVWR of 8800 and weighs about 7500 empty. I've spent a great deal of time looking through Oregon laws and have never found anything that says that was illegal.
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I'm not going to debate legalities but unless you are using the truck commercially I doubt you'll have an issue. I see ford rangers ALL the time resting on the bump stops with stuff piled higher than the cab. If you use it for a business....could be problematic. Also remember the added weight of the t-case, driveshaft, and 4x4 axle now count against that GVWR.
Worst case scenario someone gets in a serious accident and a lawyer finds out you are over GVWR or GCWR could spell trouble. Likely?? I don't know but just thinking. Read that in a truck mag.
Worst case scenario someone gets in a serious accident and a lawyer finds out you are over GVWR or GCWR could spell trouble. Likely?? I don't know but just thinking. Read that in a truck mag.
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I don't think I would get to wrapped around the axle over this. You could re-register it perhaps for a higher amount.
Mine is registered for 12K. Cost me an extra 12 bucks during the registration period and there is a self inspection and form that has to be filled out for my state but that is real simple.
Mine is registered for 12K. Cost me an extra 12 bucks during the registration period and there is a self inspection and form that has to be filled out for my state but that is real simple.
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I'm not going to debate legalities but unless you are using the truck commercially I doubt you'll have an issue. I see ford rangers ALL the time resting on the bump stops with stuff piled higher than the cab. If you use it for a business....could be problematic. Also remember the added weight of the t-case, driveshaft, and 4x4 axle now count against that GVWR.
Worst case scenario someone gets in a serious accident and a lawyer finds out you are over GVWR or GCWR could spell trouble. Likely?? I don't know but just thinking. Read that in a truck mag.
Worst case scenario someone gets in a serious accident and a lawyer finds out you are over GVWR or GCWR could spell trouble. Likely?? I don't know but just thinking. Read that in a truck mag.
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I don't think I would get to wrapped around the axle over this. You could re-register it perhaps for a higher amount.
Mine is registered for 12K. Cost me an extra 12 bucks during the registration period and there is a self inspection and form that has to be filled out for my state but that is real simple.
Mine is registered for 12K. Cost me an extra 12 bucks during the registration period and there is a self inspection and form that has to be filled out for my state but that is real simple.
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I think this is another one of those things that's going to vary by state, so you might want to research your local laws.
I actually just spent a while looking through the laws here in MN and I can't find any law that specifically prohibits exceeding your GVWR.
Here are the only weights I can find that are illegal to exceed :
1. The GVW on your registration
2. 20,000 lbs per axle on a paved road
3. 18,000 lbs per axle on an unpaved road
4. 10,000 lbs per tire
5. The rated weight capacity of your tires (listed on the sidewall)
6. 500 lbs per inch of tire width
7. Any posted weight limit on a specific road
I actually just spent a while looking through the laws here in MN and I can't find any law that specifically prohibits exceeding your GVWR.
Here are the only weights I can find that are illegal to exceed :
1. The GVW on your registration
2. 20,000 lbs per axle on a paved road
3. 18,000 lbs per axle on an unpaved road
4. 10,000 lbs per tire
5. The rated weight capacity of your tires (listed on the sidewall)
6. 500 lbs per inch of tire width
7. Any posted weight limit on a specific road
Last edited by kd0axs; Mar 22, 2012 at 04:18 PM. Reason: Added info
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I had that talk with several DOT officers in California and there is no such thing as technically legal GCVW.
What the Police care about is how much allowed weight you are PAYING FOR. Meaning if you put 25,000 lb sticker on Ranger and haul 25,000lb without making situation -the Police have no business to stop you.
Lot of 1-ton pickup are used commercially for pulling 25,000 to 30,000 gooseneck trailers.
What the Police care about is how much allowed weight you are PAYING FOR. Meaning if you put 25,000 lb sticker on Ranger and haul 25,000lb without making situation -the Police have no business to stop you.
Lot of 1-ton pickup are used commercially for pulling 25,000 to 30,000 gooseneck trailers.
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I think this is another one of those things that's going to vary by state, so you might want to research your local laws.
I actually just spent a while looking through the laws here in MN and I can't find any law that specifically prohibits exceeding your GVWR. The only weights I can find that are illegal to exceed are the weight on your registration and the weight limit of your tires.
I actually just spent a while looking through the laws here in MN and I can't find any law that specifically prohibits exceeding your GVWR. The only weights I can find that are illegal to exceed are the weight on your registration and the weight limit of your tires.
That is why I have 12K on the truck. Here in MD trailers have their own registrations.