Notices
1997 - 2006 Expedition & Navigator 1997 - 2002 and 2003 - 2006 Ford Expedition and Lincoln Navigator Discussion

5.4V8 DREADFUL SPARK PLUG ISSUE SOLVED !!

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Nov 5, 2012 | 01:30 PM
  #31  
alwaysfords41's Avatar
alwaysfords41
Posting Guru
Joined: Feb 2008
Posts: 2,339
Likes: 0
You should do the coils too while you are there, they have to come out anyway to get to the plugs.
 
Reply
Old Nov 24, 2012 | 06:49 AM
  #32  
bmerr98's Avatar
bmerr98
Freshman User
Joined: Oct 2012
Posts: 30
Likes: 0
From: Clarksville, TN
Ok, did plugs over Thanksgiving (the wife was thrilled). Did the hours of soaking with PB Blaster after cracking the plugs a quarter turn and all, but it was to no avail. All eight plugs broke, and the porcelain at the tip broke and fell into the cylinders. I did have the broken plug removal tool made by the Lisle company on hand, and boy did it get a workout. Thought I was going to have to take it in and have the heads pulled, (and time may tell that I should have). However, I Google searched and found a video of a guy who retrieved porcelain chunks as well as the whole electrode from a cylinder using a borescope with a piece of tape on it. Awesome, but I don't have a borescope.

After a night of restless sleep and nightmares about evil clowns chasing me riding rainbow colored hippos that farted clouds of glitter and handing me repair bills at the Ford dealership, I decided to try to vacuum the porcelain fragments out. I used my shop vac with the crevice tool, a piece of 1/4 inch clear flexible tubing and duct tape.

Now, there's no way to be sure I got it all with the tools i had available, but I could compare the amount of debris in each cylinder with the amount missing from the broken tip (I cleaned the shop vac out after each cylinder) and I don't think I missed much.

No scary noises when I started it up and it seems to be running as smooth as ever, so I'm calling it a success. Not a pretty win, but a win. Hope it's a long time before I have to do that again.
 
Reply
Old Nov 24, 2012 | 11:09 AM
  #33  
wastingas's Avatar
wastingas
Senior User
Joined: Dec 2011
Posts: 204
Likes: 0
Nice work Macgyver! I plan on doing mine next month ill keep the vac close.
 
Reply
Old Nov 24, 2012 | 11:11 AM
  #34  
alloro's Avatar
alloro
Fleet Owner
15 Year Member
Shutterbug
Liked
Loved
Joined: Apr 2008
Posts: 24,318
Likes: 5,128
From: 0,0,1
Club FTE Gold Member
Originally Posted by bmerr98
Now, there's no way to be sure I got it all with the tools i had available
That is a totally unnerving feeling, and I fully sympathize.
 
Reply
Old Nov 26, 2012 | 06:43 AM
  #35  
bmerr98's Avatar
bmerr98
Freshman User
Joined: Oct 2012
Posts: 30
Likes: 0
From: Clarksville, TN
Porcelain worries...

Just been thinking about the vacuum solution to porcelain fragments breaking off and falling into the cylinders when using the broken plug removal tool. Still no sign of trouble yet (it's been a couple of days now), but does anyone have any idea how long it would take to know if anything big enough to cause problems was in there? Would it be a start up and an "Oh CRAP!", or might one be driving along weeks later thinking all was well and get a nasty surprise?

Any ideas?
 
Reply
Old Nov 26, 2012 | 10:03 AM
  #36  
alloro's Avatar
alloro
Fleet Owner
15 Year Member
Shutterbug
Liked
Loved
Joined: Apr 2008
Posts: 24,318
Likes: 5,128
From: 0,0,1
Club FTE Gold Member
Originally Posted by bmerr98
does anyone have any idea how long it would take to know if anything big enough to cause problems was in there?
It is unlikely you will have any problems if it is just porcelain. If there were metal pieces I'd be more worried about it. Porcelain is basically glass against metal. Guess which one will be pulverized first?!
 
Reply
Old Nov 26, 2012 | 10:18 AM
  #37  
bmerr98's Avatar
bmerr98
Freshman User
Joined: Oct 2012
Posts: 30
Likes: 0
From: Clarksville, TN
That's kinda how I was looking at it, but it's good to hear a like-minded opinion. It's the main mode of transportation for the family, so lots riding on it. Thanks for the input!
 
Reply
Old Nov 26, 2012 | 04:27 PM
  #38  
Moto Mel's Avatar
Moto Mel
Postmaster
Joined: Jan 2009
Posts: 4,584
Likes: 3
From: Chesapeake, Va.
Alloro has it right. If there was going to be a problem I think it would have happened by now.
There is very little better than a somewhat scary job done right the first time you have to do it.
 
Reply
FTE Stories

Ford Trucks for Ford Truck Enthusiasts

story-0

Rezvani's Latest Post-Apocalytic Monster Is a Ford F-150 Raptor Underneath

 Verdad Gallardo
story-1

Top 10 Most Expensive Ford Trucks Ever Sold on Bring a Trailer

 Joe Kucinski
story-2

2027 Ford Super Duty Buyer's Guide (Every Model, Engine, & Package)

 Brett Foote
story-3

Top 10 Ford Truck Tragedies

 Joe Kucinski
story-4

AEV FXL Super Duty - the Super Duty Raptor Ford Doesn't Make

 Brett Foote
story-5

Lobo Vs Lobo: Proof the F-150 Lobo Should Be Even Lower!

 Michael S. Palmer
story-6

Ford's 2001 Explorer Sportsman Concept Looks For a New Home

 Verdad Gallardo
story-7

10 Best Ford Truck Engines We Miss the Most!

 Joe Kucinski
story-8

2026 Shelby F-150 Off-Road: Better Than a Raptor R?

 Brett Foote
story-9

2027 Super Duty Carhartt Package First Look: 12 Things You NEED to Know!

 Michael S. Palmer
Old Jan 29, 2013 | 10:28 AM
  #39  
jrodtaclet's Avatar
jrodtaclet
Freshman User
Joined: Apr 2010
Posts: 33
Likes: 0
I purchased the removal tool and all and I could not get the ***** to do it! I paid $700 to the STEALER to remove the plugs!
 
Reply
Old Jan 29, 2013 | 11:03 AM
  #40  
alloro's Avatar
alloro
Fleet Owner
15 Year Member
Shutterbug
Liked
Loved
Joined: Apr 2008
Posts: 24,318
Likes: 5,128
From: 0,0,1
Club FTE Gold Member
Originally Posted by jrodtaclet
I could not get the ***** to do it! I paid $700 to the STEALER to remove the plugs!
Without even trying to do it yourself first?
 
Reply
Old Jan 29, 2013 | 01:54 PM
  #41  
sukemecuke's Avatar
sukemecuke
New User
Joined: Jan 2013
Posts: 12
Likes: 0
So this issue is only on the 5.4 and 6.8 motors built between 2004-2008? My 97 Expedition with the 5.4 isn't one with the dreaded issue? With a potential misfire I might be looking at replacing plugs.......

Just give em hell like you do pretty much every other engine I've ever come in contact with?
 
Reply
Old Jan 29, 2013 | 02:23 PM
  #42  
harleyguy27's Avatar
harleyguy27
New User
Joined: Jan 2013
Posts: 15
Likes: 0
It is time to do the plugs on my 2002 XLT 5.4 liter with 136K miles. I bought it used from a dealer and have no idea if they were replaced or not. I havent gotten into it yet to see. I bought the truck with 125K miles. I have been doing a lot of research on plugs and it seems that while copper core plugs dont last as long as the platinum plugs, the copper core plugs seem to be able to handle the heat a lot better than the platinum plugs. I bought the Autolite Copper Core. I already set the gap to .54.
 
Reply
Old Jan 29, 2013 | 02:40 PM
  #43  
c_hohensee's Avatar
c_hohensee
Laughing Gas
15 Year Member
Joined: Feb 2006
Posts: 843
Likes: 0
Club FTE Gold Member
Originally Posted by harleyguy27
It is time to do the plugs on my 2002 XLT 5.4 liter with 136K miles. I bought it used from a dealer and have no idea if they were replaced or not. I havent gotten into it yet to see. I bought the truck with 125K miles. I have been doing a lot of research on plugs and it seems that while copper core plugs dont last as long as the platinum plugs, the copper core plugs seem to be able to handle the heat a lot better than the platinum plugs. I bought the Autolite Copper Core. I already set the gap to .54.
.54" wow! that some gap! I would like to see the size of the coils.
 
Reply
Old Jan 29, 2013 | 04:33 PM
  #44  
pdqford's Avatar
pdqford
Logistics Pro
20 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Joined: Jan 2001
Posts: 3,740
Likes: 37
From: Central NYS
Originally Posted by sukemecuke
So this issue is only on the 5.4 and 6.8 motors built between 2004-2008? My 97 Expedition with the 5.4 isn't one with the dreaded issue?
The broken plug issue is an issue with the 3-valver 5.4s up to........... there goes my memory again up to 2007 ?????
 
Reply
Old Jan 29, 2013 | 06:04 PM
  #45  
harleyguy27's Avatar
harleyguy27
New User
Joined: Jan 2013
Posts: 15
Likes: 0
Yeah. It actually says in the manual .52 - .56. So I just put it in the middle.
 
Reply



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 09:49 PM.

story-0
Rezvani's Latest Post-Apocalytic Monster Is a Ford F-150 Raptor Underneath

Slideshow: Called the Fortress, the 850-horsepower pickup combines Raptor underpinnings with military-inspired features, survival equipment, and a starting price of $285,000.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-05-30 18:33:59


VIEW MORE
story-1
Top 10 Most Expensive Ford Trucks Ever Sold on Bring a Trailer

Slideshow: 10 most expensive Ford trucks ever sold on Bring a Trailer.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-27 16:24:34


VIEW MORE
story-2
2027 Ford Super Duty Buyer's Guide (Every Model, Engine, & Package)

Here's everything that has changed for the latest model year.

By Brett Foote | 2026-05-27 16:17:28


VIEW MORE
story-3
Top 10 Ford Truck Tragedies

Slideshow: Top 10 Ford truck tragedies.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-18 19:34:33


VIEW MORE
story-4
AEV FXL Super Duty - the Super Duty Raptor Ford Doesn't Make

And it might be even better than that.

By Brett Foote | 2026-05-18 19:26:42


VIEW MORE
story-5
Lobo Vs Lobo: Proof the F-150 Lobo Should Be Even Lower!

Slideshow: Does lowering an F-150 Lobo RUIN the ride quality?

By Michael S. Palmer | 2026-05-18 19:20:37


VIEW MORE
story-6
Ford's 2001 Explorer Sportsman Concept Looks For a New Home

Slideshow: Ford's bizarre fishing-themed Explorer concept has resurfaced after spending decades largely forgotten.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-05-12 18:07:46


VIEW MORE
story-7
10 Best Ford Truck Engines We Miss the Most!

Slideshow: The 10 best Ford truck engines we miss the most.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-12 13:09:47


VIEW MORE
story-8
2026 Shelby F-150 Off-Road: Better Than a Raptor R?

Slideshow: first look at the 810 hp 2026 Shelby F-150 Off-Road!

By Brett Foote | 2026-05-12 12:50:07


VIEW MORE
story-9
2027 Super Duty Carhartt Package First Look: 12 Things You NEED to Know!

Slideshow: Everything You Need to Know about the 2027 Super Duty Carhartt Package!

By Michael S. Palmer | 2026-05-07 17:51:06


VIEW MORE