Bed Wood
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From: Durham NC
from the grain pattern they look like they are quarter sawn. Quarter sawing produces the most stable and durable wood, but with little grain pattern and most harvest waste from the log. Flat sawing produces the most spectacular grain patterns but is prone to warpage.
As weathered as they are I wouldn't hazzard a guess on species.
Here's a good description of the 3 most common lumber sawing patterns and the wood produced: http://www.advantagelumber.com/sawn-lumber/
As weathered as they are I wouldn't hazzard a guess on species.
Here's a good description of the 3 most common lumber sawing patterns and the wood produced: http://www.advantagelumber.com/sawn-lumber/
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I can't imagine that a Highland Park or Dearborn truck, for example, would use southern yellow pine. Ford had a plant in Kingsford, MI that made wooden parts for the older vehicles, hence Kingsford Charcoal from the scraps. I don't know if this plant operated into the '50s.
As stated earlier, it was old growth (slow growing) pine with close rings which makes it harder than today's Southern Yellow Pine which is used a lot for pressure treated lumber.
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They are two different species of pine trees. Southern yellow pine is much harder than Northern white pine (AFAIK there is no Northern yellow pine). Old growth SYP was used a lot for factory floors where it needed to stand up to a lot of wear but was not prone to splitting or splintering. Most Southern carpenters have encountered old air dried SYP in buildings where it is near impossible to drive a nail into it without it bending. The finish floors upstairs in my 1939 house are SYP and they have held up nearly as well as the oak hardwood downstairs.
Reclaimed old growth SYP is is in demand and quite valuable today.
Reclaimed old growth SYP is is in demand and quite valuable today.
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They are two different species of pine trees. Southern yellow pine is much harder than Northern white pine (AFAIK there is no Northern yellow pine). Old growth SYP was used a lot for factory floors where it needed to stand up to a lot of wear but was not prone to splitting or splintering. Most Southern carpenters have encountered old air dried SYP in buildings where it is near impossible to drive a nail into it without it bending. The finish floors upstairs in my 1939 house are SYP and they have held up nearly as well as the oak hardwood downstairs.
Reclaimed old growth SYP is is in demand and quite valuable today.
Reclaimed old growth SYP is is in demand and quite valuable today.
BTW, wouldn't swamp cypress make a good bed? Very durable, looks nice, probably too expensive...
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I have used a lot of "old growth" yellow pine, but only when a client was paying for it. There is a yard in Gonzales Texas that has nothing but old growth pine. He buys it up from all over the country. I have been there several times to purchase for clients projects. One time there I saw a stack of 12" x 16" beams that were over 50 feet long. They came out of an old warehouse that was built in the early 1900's in Philly. There are several kinds of yellow pine including Loblolly, Longleaf, Bull, and Jack pine. They were used widely for flooring, usually plain sliced to show the grain. Fir and Spruce were also used often but usually they were quarter sawn or rift cut for flooring for less movement. Sugar pine, western white pine, and rocky mountain white pine were not as strong as YP and were seldom used for any kind of flooring.
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I have found several websites that talk about selling old Northern pine. Here is one that says this: "Northern Yellow Pine was harvested for early American colonial buildings and no longer grows in this hemisphere." Here is the link: Reclaimed Northern Yellow Pine Flooring | StoneBrook Flooring
So you are correct about "there is no such thing today."
Here is a question: did Ford assemble all the bed floors in Detroit and ship them assembled to the various assembly plants where all they had to do was drop them into place on the line and then paint the truck bed, wood, and skid strips and all???
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I don't know if it was urban legend, but the story i read said that HF was so cheap he required suppliers to ship parts in wood crate that he specified the sizes of the wood pieces and even where holes were to be drilled so he could recycle them directly into his vehicles.
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I don't know if it was urban legend, but the story i read said that HF was so cheap he required suppliers to ship parts in wood crate that he specified the sizes of the wood pieces and even where holes were to be drilled so he could recycle them directly into his vehicles.
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I do know that Ford designed his 8N tractors a certain size (length I think) not for engineering reasons but so he could fit more on railroad cars and thus save shipping expenses...
Anyone else know this story? I don't remember the specifics (# of inches, how many tractors per car, length or width...)
Anyone else know this story? I don't remember the specifics (# of inches, how many tractors per car, length or width...)
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Henry was a smart business man first. Everything he did was to streamline the production of cars, trucks and tractors. But he did pay better than most. I read that he bought the forest land in Michigan for the maple, mainly for the woodies. He got mad at the coach builders who he felt were ripping him off. I am sure in those forests, at that time, there was lots of pine too. He managed the forest products very well, not just taking all the best trees at once. The way he managed the forests is now practiced almost the same way by the forest service for optimum production and forest life.
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