Rick,
You, Epic and others significantly influenced my decision to purchase the 2011 SD.

I hate that you got a raw deal!!!

Do your still own the UPS truck?

 

Interesting .....when it come to fuel additives I use Opti-Lube XPD .....from my experience this product will do more than the Ford Motorcraft product....I have in the past used Ford Motorcraft fuel additives since Sept 07, on a a 2008 Superduty and used it also on my 2011 Superduty.....but have switched to a better product.

 

What difference have you noticed wifh xpd?

 

Yes. I still drive it every day and smile.It still looks like new and gets compliments wherever I go...especially at HD or Lowes. It was back in the shop again last week...twice. There is a recurring CEL that has eluded the best techs that my dealer has in house. They want it back for a cold soak diagnosis on Monday. This will make 9 trips back to the dealer with the truck.

Ford's own answers to the NHTSA inquiry have certainly shown that the truck, while doing quite well, has not been trouble free. Let me address some accusations that have been thrown at me from unhappy members here.

First, the one about "everybody will have a HPFP failure". Pure hogwash...never was said in that vein. I did say, and it is irrefutable, that no one who owns one of these trucks is immune from this problem affecting them. The failures have been random and unpredictable. If you still think it can not happen to you, please tell the group why you are different. Yes, I have been vocal about this issue. I never thought it would happen to me...so much for brand loyalty extraordinaire.

Second, I have always tried to provide accurate information. At times, I have failed. I am humble in that regard and always set the record straight. For my efforts, personal attacks and name calling is the best response some can manage here. I never bash others until have been bashed first. The record will show that to be true.

Lastly, the latest avenue being traveled is the Rvnet bash. I have been a member there for a long time. I have had my share of battles with members there, particularly the Dodge Boy's. The one thing that does happen there is the wheat gets separated from the chaff. Post BS about any brand and the answers will come quickly. The thread running over there right now, referenced derisively by some, has been civil and enlightening to those who have looked at it through non rose colored glasses. Several smart guy's have weighed in with substantive posts that look at the DLC coatings research from a knowledgeable position. Professional engineers and scientists from across the manufacturer's brand gamut have weighed in from learned positions. Why does that offend some members here? If it defended the position of those who speak derisively about the posters, would the thread be the butt of their jokes at that time. I think not...

This debate is far from over. The NHTSA report has opened doors in both directions. It also proves that there is a bunch more failed HPFP's out there in Bosch land...whichever brand you drive. I am encouraged by the report. It shows that while there are HPFP failures out there, your odds, to date, are relatively good that you will not be affected. On the other side, it shows quite clearly that no one is immune. I will, when asked, keep telling owners to keep driving their truck, smile like I do...and keep adding the PM22A to the fuel....praying a little can not hurt.

...and thanks to all the guys from both sites that PM'ed and emailed me in the last few days...much appreciated...you know who you are

Regards

 

I'm still curious to know which components of the Bosch CP4.2 HPFP use a DLC coating. Honest question.

 

Hey guys, just picked up my new F350 last night and said goodbye to the 2011 F250. but I was reading the new 6.7 supplement manual last night and noticed that under the fuel quaility section it states,

"It should not be necessary to add any aftermarket additives to your fuel tank if you use properly formulated diesel fuel that meets either the ASTM D975 diesel or the ASTM D7467 B6-B20 biodiesel industry specs."

In the same section, it goes on to state,

"Aftermarket additives can damage the injector system or engine. Repairs to correct the effects of using an aftermarket product in your fuel may not be covered by your warranty."

in the next section labeled, diesel fuel conditioner, it says we may use additives that meet or exceed ford's pm-22-a, or pm-23-a. If it does not meet or exceed the ford product specs, that too could void the warranty.

I don't think many of us know what the specs on our fuel is, including myself. but I would have to assume most fuel we buy meets the D975 standard.

I will continue to use fords product in most every tank, couldn't hurt.

I also was told by the service dept. at one of the local ford stores that stanadyne was the supplier for ford's pm-22a and 23a. don't know it its true or not.

Can't recall if the 2011 supplement said that stuff but the new ones do. book is dated Jan 2012.

So if you enjoy warranty, use fords additive or something you can prove to ford that it it better.

 

You have changed your tune 100% since this NHTSA report has come out. All your supporters can do whatever, but anybody that has more than a week long memory can remember when you were bragging about steering people away from the 6.7 because the "faulty" pump. All this talk is useless garbage to everyone on this forum. The few things we learned:

Buy good diesel. But who knows what good Diesel is.

Use additives. But now that is not a good idea.

Document the dealers repair work.

Rick, can you 100% say that the diesel fuel in your tank at the time of the failure was at ASTM spec for diesel? If not, then your whole shame on ford tirade is invalid. Ford actually might of made the right call for denying your warranty. Since the fuel was never tested beyond water content, we will never know.

First step I would take if my HPFP was to fail in my truck, take a sample of the fuel from the tank and have it analyzed. That would be the biggest leg any person could stand on with a possibly warranty denial. Common sense would tell you that if the ONLY thing this pump does and relies on for proper operation is good diesel then that would be my first place to look.

 

In switching to Opti-Lube XPD I get from what I understand over all better protection, I have noticed somewhat better fuel mileage, less regens and no build up of parfin...parfin it a yellow colored product that builds up in the water seperater and in some cases on fuel filters. This issue came up when I owned a 2008 Superduty for 3 1/2 years ....when I used the Ford Motorcraft additive.

 

What data do you have to show XPD is better the Motorcraft?

 

That HPFPs are failing is a fact beyond dispute.
Ford reported it in their response to NHSTA. (as did others)
The numbers at this point are small....But serious as it causes a HUGE amount of collateral dammage. And people are justifiably wondering what the future holds. Most of us remember when other motors were introduced with great fanfare that was later proven to be false.

The additive vs DLC thing is interesting. Since the alleged DLC on the Bosch pump is a secret, and the additive(s) formulas are secret as well....Nobody knows for certain. I do know that GM basically frowns on additives, while Ford promotes one that they sell,,,but likely don't make.
And since they don't know what the Bosh DLC consists of and have done no 6.7 testing with it......There recommendations may well be worth what their HPFP warranty coverage is.

 

I have owned a 2008 for more then 3 years also and have been using PM22 for 5 years now, never seen any parfin build up.

 

Motorcraft PM22 is supplied to Ford by Chemtech.

 

parafin is a a brother to wax, unless you are in extreme climates i highly doubt you have had a problem with a parafin build up....maybe you where buying junk fuel? I have never had an issue or know anyone to have an issue from a additive the causes paraffin to build in the separator from an additive?

 

magnumacF250, Thank you for sharing that new information from latest Ford supplement manual. I guess it is safe to use at least Motorcraft PM 22A or PM 23A for now. I just wish that there are some sort of test data showing that it will definitively protect HPFP in new 6.7L PSD.

 

There is no official data. ( That I have heard about ) However, in the Spicer test data from 2007, the last comparison data we have, out of the 20 different additives tested Opti-Lube ranked 2nd. (For HFRR reduction, lubrication) It was only beat by bio-diesel and the next closest was 122 points higher at 439. Motorcraft was not in the study for whatever reason, however, since the other "popular" additives including Stanadyne and Diesel Kleen were ranked 8 and 10 respectively my personal opinion is that at best it would be in that range with them also. Without any new data showing me something different, my opinion also is that Opti-lube is your best additive.

Now how this new twist of additives effecting the pump surfaces and how Opti-lube, or for that matter any other additive, ......who knows. Unless you are using bio-diesel, I think your best bet for lubrication is Opti-lube. Until new data shows different I'll stick with that.