DuraMax
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They had a legitimate complaint, I used to be able to have an engine out and setting on the floor within 30 minutes, or have a water pump and belt changed out in 15 minutes. The vehicles are much better now, so you do have a trade off.
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I think that this trend of making vehicles harder for the owner to self service is due to the higher technology required to stay competitive and remain in compliance with Govt. regulations. That said; it appears that it would be in the best interest of the manufacturers to channel all repairs through a dealer.
Another interest of mine is Harley motorcyles, where there sure appears to be an effort made to channel all maintenance and parts through a dealer.
So, as a 70 year old Geezer, I'm hoping that my 04 6.0 and my 2005 Road King outlast me, because one of my pleasures is tinkering with mechanical devices.
Another interest of mine is Harley motorcyles, where there sure appears to be an effort made to channel all maintenance and parts through a dealer.
So, as a 70 year old Geezer, I'm hoping that my 04 6.0 and my 2005 Road King outlast me, because one of my pleasures is tinkering with mechanical devices.
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When a HPFP on a 6.4, 6.7 or a 6.6 has a catastrophic failure it's a ~ $10k repair bill.
There's alot of drama in the 6.7 forum over fuel quality right now!
An interesting feature on the Duramax is you don't even have to remove the valve cover to replace an injector.
There's alot of drama in the 6.7 forum over fuel quality right now!
An interesting feature on the Duramax is you don't even have to remove the valve cover to replace an injector.
Interesting that a valve cover doesnt have to come off to change they must be sitting in there like are GPs are
That is way expensive IMO especialy if there like Troy says and theres no need to undo a valve cover to replace them
Matty has been getting injectors Ford reman ones for 200.00 each so at 1600.00 you could replace all 8 6.0 injectors
I wasnt shure I just read it somewhere I beleive it was on FTE I saw it
Guys the MORE that I READ about the newer Diesel trucks the more I dont want one (Ford,Dodge,orChev)
I hope that things change for the better
So I guess I better get back to work with the rust remover and the rubberized under coat on my 6.0 sounds like one of the last owner freindly diesels out there
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Common rail has been around alot longer than heui, and in my opinion is alot more reliable. Youve got a transfer pump, injection pump, injectors. Three main pieces of the puzzle. Its a tried and trued setup, kinda like a straight six diesel.
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It might have been around Longer BUT it looks to be 10Xs more Expensive when the pump fails and takes the rest of the system componets out and if you have a 6.4 the cabs coming off to change the pump and if you have a 6.7 all the injectors need to be programmed to the specific truck so its not what I would call Owner Freindly
Now Look at the 6.0 when the HPO pump fails normally you will change the pump and your good to go
Now the newer ones you get to rebuild the whole system everything pump,injectors,supply lines ect....
Maybe more reliable but Lots of Damage to the Old Bank account when things do go south
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You never know until you own one, I start to know a bit about my 6.0 and do not know if I want another truck. My son has a Cummins, but it is a Dodge with a crappy Transmission and a truck with a very stiff ride (2001). He just has different problems, they look straight foward, but it is never as straight foward as we think it is.
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You never know until you own one, I start to know a bit about my 6.0 and do not know if I want another truck. My son has a Cummins, but it is a Dodge with a crappy Transmission and a truck with a very stiff ride (2001). He just has different problems, they look straight foward, but it is never as straight foward as we think it is.
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Unfortunately if your hauling something big, you don't have a lot of choice. It will weed out, eventually, a lot of the ricky racers that really don't need a truck except for the kewl factor.
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The problem with todays Common Rail fuel systems is the HPFP pressurizes the fuel to unbelievabel levels so fuel quality/lubrication is vital to the health of the HPFP. When the HPFP has a catastrophic failure, it sends metal particles to all the injectors, fuel lines, gas tank, and the whole system including injectors has to be replaced including cleaning the gas tank and the fuel delivery lines to and from the gas tank. It's a very expesive repair to say the least.
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Actually HEUI has been around before a Common Rail fuel w/HPFP system.
The problem with todays Common Rail fuel systems is the HPFP pressurizes the fuel to unbelievabel levels so fuel quality/lubrication is vital to the health of the HPFP. When the HPFP has a catastrophic failure, it sends metal particles to all the injectors, fuel lines, gas tank, and the whole system including injectors has to be replaced including cleaning the gas tank and the fuel delivery lines to and from the gas tank. It's a very expesive repair to say the least.
The problem with todays Common Rail fuel systems is the HPFP pressurizes the fuel to unbelievabel levels so fuel quality/lubrication is vital to the health of the HPFP. When the HPFP has a catastrophic failure, it sends metal particles to all the injectors, fuel lines, gas tank, and the whole system including injectors has to be replaced including cleaning the gas tank and the fuel delivery lines to and from the gas tank. It's a very expesive repair to say the least.
This HEUI system has a failure its nowhere Near as expensive
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From: mckenna wa
I wonder if this is going to be one of those problems that aftermarket parts are the big savior. I wonder if there could be any kind of filter that could keep the high pressure and volume but keep all that junk out of the injectors. I dont have to worry about this problem for awhile I wont be able to afford a 2012 6.7 until around 2020 after all that depreciation I might be able to pick up a used one lol.