H2E vs 38r
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Laughing Gas
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H2E vs 38r
I am just wondering what the pros and cons of these are? I have an early 99 right now and I am throwing some upgrades at it, but I want to be able to use everything that I am throwing at it on my spare motor which is an 01 I believe (with the forged rods) that I will be completely rebuilding at a later date with a 400-450hp goal in mind.
I have tried to find everything I can about these two which is not much. Seems like some dont like the 38r cause it cant be rebuilt and most do not like the H2E cause they say it cost to much, but if I was real worried about the cost I probably would just leave it stock.
thanks for any and all info and please feel free to throw some other options out there. along with some injector options that will match up with said turbos.
Joe
I have tried to find everything I can about these two which is not much. Seems like some dont like the 38r cause it cant be rebuilt and most do not like the H2E cause they say it cost to much, but if I was real worried about the cost I probably would just leave it stock.
thanks for any and all info and please feel free to throw some other options out there. along with some injector options that will match up with said turbos.
Joe
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Boy, this is one of those topics that'll blow up pretty fast... 
I'd call Clay... he can say it better than I can. He's got some good info and good points on both as he does sell both turbos and their corresponding install kits/parts.
I'd call Clay... he can say it better than I can. He's got some good info and good points on both as he does sell both turbos and their corresponding install kits/parts.
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If your thinking anything more then 400hp, then go with the H2e or any mid frame turbo with a T4 or T4i kit.
I really like Irates kits for the price, I built my own for my modded H2e.
I have run A LOT of turbos over the years...
I really like Irates kits for the price, I built my own for my modded H2e.
I have run A LOT of turbos over the years...
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Laughing Gas
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I know it will blow up but for some reason I can not find any of the past ones. I was thinking of calling Clay. I know Clay is always there, but sometimes I dont want to bother him untill I am closer to pulling the trigger. Try to educate myself a little before I call him.
Keep it coming though
thanks
Keep it coming though
thanks
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I know Joe has run many turbos, but I also know he puts his truck through a lot more than most of us ever would. Depends on how much you want to spend and whether you're going ultimate or realistic with your project. Clay's great help... like I said, he had some pretty insightful info on the two.
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ive ran stock, modded stock, 38r and an h2e turbo's on stock sticks.....the 38r was ok but the sound got annoying on long drives and is a disposable turbo.....the h2e is quieter and offers lower drive pressures and can be modified if you need more later....on my stage 1's in my hot tune i can knock down 40-42 lbs of boost on the h2e....spools quick and sounds great.....imo like joe (csipsd) said any t4 or t4i style turbo is the way to go.....just make sure you get a bellowed uppie kit from irate or carson stauffer (i run carson's) otherwise the hypermax kit has the original style uppies with the donuts.......h2e ftw.....
here is a pic of my coated carson stauffer t4i uppies......
here is a pic of my coated carson stauffer t4i uppies......
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I know Joe has run many turbos, but I also know he puts his truck through a lot more than most of us ever would. Depends on how much you want to spend and whether you're going ultimate or realistic with your project. Clay's great help... like I said, he had some pretty insightful info on the two.
As far as sticks I want to get something to match. Stock sticks will not be on the list. I was thinking (just for something to do) I would maybe put the sticks that came out of the 01 in my e99, but not sure what kinda shape they are in so probably wont happen, but there will definetly be some good sticks going in with what ever turbo I decide. I am not so much worried about the money as I am the right combination. Like I said if I was looking to save money I would just leave it alone. I never quite understood trying to get power and save money???? of course if you can find deals good, but in my experience the two never really went together.
Can you explain what a T4 or T4I turbo is??
Thank you
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I am in no way shooting for ultimate. I still want a daily driver. I will still use it for my work truck which is driven about everyday pulling a 14ft enclosed trailer usually anywhere from 5-7k lbs. So if a 400-450hp rig is not considered good for a daily workhorse maybe I should dial it back.
As far as sticks I want to get something to match. Stock sticks will not be on the list. I was thinking (just for something to do) I would maybe put the sticks that came out of the 01 in my e99, but not sure what kinda shape they are in so probably wont happen, but there will definetly be some good sticks going in with what ever turbo I decide. I am not so much worried about the money as I am the right combination. Like I said if I was looking to save money I would just leave it alone. I never quite understood trying to get power and save money???? of course if you can find deals good, but in my experience the two never really went together.
Can you explain what a T4 or T4I turbo is??
Thank you
As far as sticks I want to get something to match. Stock sticks will not be on the list. I was thinking (just for something to do) I would maybe put the sticks that came out of the 01 in my e99, but not sure what kinda shape they are in so probably wont happen, but there will definetly be some good sticks going in with what ever turbo I decide. I am not so much worried about the money as I am the right combination. Like I said if I was looking to save money I would just leave it alone. I never quite understood trying to get power and save money???? of course if you can find deals good, but in my experience the two never really went together.
Can you explain what a T4 or T4I turbo is??
Thank you
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T4 is a flange design... if you've ever seen an OBS truck, that's a T4 (pretty sure at least). It's like the Cummins, a square flange with four bolts. Nothing wrong with 400 horses... from what I understand, that's kinda the sweet spot between being a dog and being dangerous. Basically, the H2E costs a good deal more to put in just because it takes new EVERYTHING... pedestal, up pipes, collector, spider, intercooler pipes, etc. I was told the 38R is effective for the price and it's also drop-in... that's also what Clay runs if that says anything. Like I said, I'd talk to Clay. He's run many different injectors and he also sells both turbos.
OBS is a T3, looks very similar, but its not the same.
As far as I know Clay has not run a mid frame turbo.
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You pay $1400 for a new 38R... You reuse everything else on the truck...
You pay $2400 for a NEW H2e kit (hypermax standard retail, you can get them cheaper but for comparison's sake)
Now you can sell the turbo, Y pipe, intake stuff, pedestal, down pipe, IC pipes, Up pipes and collector...
Most times that stuff will bring 5-700 hundred, bringing the cost down TONS...
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Something to consider...
You pay $1400 for a new 38R... You reuse everything else on the truck...
You pay $2400 for a NEW H2e kit (hypermax standard retail, you can get them cheaper but for comparison's sake)
Now you can sell the turbo, Y pipe, intake stuff, pedestal, down pipe, IC pipes, Up pipes and collector...
Most times that stuff will bring 5-700 hundred, bringing the cost down TONS...
You pay $1400 for a new 38R... You reuse everything else on the truck...
You pay $2400 for a NEW H2e kit (hypermax standard retail, you can get them cheaper but for comparison's sake)
Now you can sell the turbo, Y pipe, intake stuff, pedestal, down pipe, IC pipes, Up pipes and collector...
Most times that stuff will bring 5-700 hundred, bringing the cost down TONS...