H2E vs 38r
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From: Garden City, KS
Joe, I got you... couldn't remember if it was a T4 or was similar to a T4. What's the difference? Form factor/size?
As for the 38R, some of us like to keep our crap... I do anyways. And you don't have to buy a base, you can gut and plug it. Either way, carry on.
As for the 38R, some of us like to keep our crap... I do anyways. And you don't have to buy a base, you can gut and plug it. Either way, carry on.
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From: N.GA Mountains
The H2E seems high $$, but has lots of options for dailing in the ideal set-up. The hypermax kit is ridiculously expensive...
Call Irate or Carson and see what they can build a T4 mount for, then go shopping for turbos with LOTS of options - ALL cheaper than H2E or 38R. Something like S366 is prolly perfect for some 160/80 injectors and should be over 400hp and still have tow tunes that make lower than stock EGT's.
Call Irate or Carson and see what they can build a T4 mount for, then go shopping for turbos with LOTS of options - ALL cheaper than H2E or 38R. Something like S366 is prolly perfect for some 160/80 injectors and should be over 400hp and still have tow tunes that make lower than stock EGT's.
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The H2E seems high $$, but has lots of options for dailing in the ideal set-up. The hypermax kit is ridiculously expensive...
Call Irate or Carson and see what they can build a T4 mount for, then go shopping for turbos with LOTS of options - ALL cheaper than H2E or 38R. Something like S366 is prolly perfect for some 160/80 injectors and should be over 400hp and still have tow tunes that make lower than stock EGT's.
Call Irate or Carson and see what they can build a T4 mount for, then go shopping for turbos with LOTS of options - ALL cheaper than H2E or 38R. Something like S366 is prolly perfect for some 160/80 injectors and should be over 400hp and still have tow tunes that make lower than stock EGT's.
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From: Austin, TX
I too would go to the H2E or a standard T-4 kit with an S366 or S466 rather than the 38R. The 38R is a good stock replacement turbo, but IMO if the goal is more than 400hp, an H2E, S300, or S400 is better suited.
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From: Gary,Indiana
I am just wondering what the pros and cons of these are? I have an early 99 right now and I am throwing some upgrades at it, but I want to be able to use everything that I am throwing at it on my spare motor which is an 01 I believe (with the forged rods) that I will be completely rebuilding at a later date with a 400-450hp goal in mind.
I have tried to find everything I can about these two which is not much. Seems like some dont like the 38r cause it cant be rebuilt and most do not like the H2E cause they say it cost to much, but if I was real worried about the cost I probably would just leave it stock.
thanks for any and all info and please feel free to throw some other options out there. along with some injector options that will match up with said turbos.
Joe
I have tried to find everything I can about these two which is not much. Seems like some dont like the 38r cause it cant be rebuilt and most do not like the H2E cause they say it cost to much, but if I was real worried about the cost I probably would just leave it stock.
thanks for any and all info and please feel free to throw some other options out there. along with some injector options that will match up with said turbos.
Joe
Besides if I had $3000 to spend it would be spent on putting a Whipple Supercharger on my boat. The motor is already build for a blower just need the supercharger.
Having a EARLY99 just means you are going to have to drop some coin if you want to get 400-450hp.
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From: North Port, Florida
Hello Joe these guys all make great points. But what THEY are missing is the fact that you are running a Early99. Which means you have to change everything either way you would go 38R or H2E. Now I too have a Early99 and I have spent alot of time pricing it out both ways. And the H2E is only a few hunred dollars more unless you go with the bellows up on the H2E then it is alot higher. But worth it. There are so many different combos you can go with on the H2E. It is truely a system you can build on. It is the set up I would go with if I had money. But instead I am just rebuilding my stock e99 turbo, up pipes and pedestal. I myself am shooting for 350hp on a e99 set up. I only use it to pull my boat 10k
Besides if I had $3000 to spend it would be spent on putting a Whipple Supercharger on my boat. The motor is already build for a blower just need the supercharger.
Having a EARLY99 just means you are going to have to drop some coin if you want to get 400-450hp.
Besides if I had $3000 to spend it would be spent on putting a Whipple Supercharger on my boat. The motor is already build for a blower just need the supercharger.
Having a EARLY99 just means you are going to have to drop some coin if you want to get 400-450hp.
That was going to be my next post, but you beat me to it. I am still weighing it out, but I do like to have options sooooo.
thanks again to all.
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t4 s366 from irate is what I'm going to get, I'm also in a e99 with the mindset of 450 to the wheels
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The S366 will be at its limits with 450hp in mind... might talk about a wastegate or a slightly larger housing on it...
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Laughing Gas
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From: North Port, Florida
Have not had time to visit this thread in awhile. I did check out some of Irates setups. They look real nice.
I am still a little confused I think. The H2E turbo will need a T4 mount or T4I? Not sure of the diffrence but???
38R definetly seems like the easier route to go, but it seems like I never do things easy and like to have options. Just looking for around 400-450hp that will pull 5-7k (give or take) just about every day in a reliable package.
Thanks again to all.
I am still a little confused I think. The H2E turbo will need a T4 mount or T4I? Not sure of the diffrence but???
38R definetly seems like the easier route to go, but it seems like I never do things easy and like to have options. Just looking for around 400-450hp that will pull 5-7k (give or take) just about every day in a reliable package.
Thanks again to all.
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Have not had time to visit this thread in awhile. I did check out some of Irates setups. They look real nice.
I am still a little confused I think. The H2E turbo will need a T4 mount or T4I? Not sure of the diffrence but???
38R definetly seems like the easier route to go, but it seems like I never do things easy and like to have options. Just looking for around 400-450hp that will pull 5-7k (give or take) just about every day in a reliable package.
Thanks again to all.
I am still a little confused I think. The H2E turbo will need a T4 mount or T4I? Not sure of the diffrence but???
38R definetly seems like the easier route to go, but it seems like I never do things easy and like to have options. Just looking for around 400-450hp that will pull 5-7k (give or take) just about every day in a reliable package.
Thanks again to all.
the difference in t4 and t4i is how the bolt holes line up more or less........
since you have an e99 wont you have to get new uppies and pedestal and other stuff to run the 38r? it makes more sense to go with the h2e setup....
oh and GO NAVY!
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Laughing Gas
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From: North Port, Florida
dont bother with the 38r....get the h2e and the mounting kit (t4i) you wont have to specify the mount the turbo builders know what to give you....the only thing youll have to do is change the intake plenums and youll have a very nice setup......
the difference in t4 and t4i is how the bolt holes line up more or less........
since you have an e99 wont you have to get new uppies and pedestal and other stuff to run the 38r? it makes more sense to go with the h2e setup....
oh and GO NAVY!
the difference in t4 and t4i is how the bolt holes line up more or less........
since you have an e99 wont you have to get new uppies and pedestal and other stuff to run the 38r? it makes more sense to go with the h2e setup....
oh and GO NAVY!
Now is there some favorites or recommendations on who I should be checking out to aquire such a setup??
thanks
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Yes I would have to get all new stuff anyway since I am rolling an e99 right now. Eventually I will be doing a ground up rebuild on a spare motor that I bought anyway. So I want to go with the later model setup, and was going to upgrade upies regardless. So If I understand correctly I would not be looking at much of a price diffrence either way since everything needs to be replaced. Not that it matters cause I am the type that believes in spending the money up front instead of wishing that I did later. Do it right the first time I guess is what I am saying.
Now is there some favorites or recommendations on who I should be checking out to aquire such a setup??
thanks
Now is there some favorites or recommendations on who I should be checking out to aquire such a setup??
thanks