Yet another HPFP question
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Something to think about......
Let's say in 4-5 years some of us want to trade in our 6.7's and we take it to the dealer and try to trade it in on a new one and they tell us that it is not worth that much because "you have one with a bad fuel pump and we are going to have to change the fuel system out" therefore your trade value will reflect that. I for one saved alot of money and traded in a paid off truck to get this truck and to now find out that Ford built it with substandard parts pisses me off. If I would have known about this issue before I bought it I would be rolling around in a 2007 SD 6.0 and still had my money I saved. This is the one thing I have not heard is what is this HPFP issue going to do later to the trade in or resale value. All one has to do is look at the value of the 2003-2005 6.0's they suck and after paying 60,000 dollars for a truck that pisses me off.
I realize that there are a small number of failures but what is scary is the few people that are reporting the metal in their fuel filters. Time will tell whether we have a big issue or just premature worry for nothing.
Just my .02
Tom
Let's say in 4-5 years some of us want to trade in our 6.7's and we take it to the dealer and try to trade it in on a new one and they tell us that it is not worth that much because "you have one with a bad fuel pump and we are going to have to change the fuel system out" therefore your trade value will reflect that. I for one saved alot of money and traded in a paid off truck to get this truck and to now find out that Ford built it with substandard parts pisses me off. If I would have known about this issue before I bought it I would be rolling around in a 2007 SD 6.0 and still had my money I saved. This is the one thing I have not heard is what is this HPFP issue going to do later to the trade in or resale value. All one has to do is look at the value of the 2003-2005 6.0's they suck and after paying 60,000 dollars for a truck that pisses me off.
I realize that there are a small number of failures but what is scary is the few people that are reporting the metal in their fuel filters. Time will tell whether we have a big issue or just premature worry for nothing.
Just my .02
Tom
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Something to think about......
Let's say in 4-5 years some of us want to trade in our 6.7's and we take it to the dealer and try to trade it in on a new one and they tell us that it is not worth that much because "you have one with a bad fuel pump and we are going to have to change the fuel system out" therefore your trade value will reflect that. I for one saved alot of money and traded in a paid off truck to get this truck and to now find out that Ford built it with substandard parts pisses me off. If I would have known about this issue before I bought it I would be rolling around in a 2007 SD 6.0 and still had my money I saved. This is the one thing I have not heard is what is this HPFP issue going to do later to the trade in or resale value. All one has to do is look at the value of the 2003-2005 6.0's they suck and after paying 60,000 dollars for a truck that pisses me off.
I realize that there are a small number of failures but what is scary is the few people that are reporting the metal in their fuel filters. Time will tell whether we have a big issue or just premature worry for nothing.
Just my .02
Tom
Let's say in 4-5 years some of us want to trade in our 6.7's and we take it to the dealer and try to trade it in on a new one and they tell us that it is not worth that much because "you have one with a bad fuel pump and we are going to have to change the fuel system out" therefore your trade value will reflect that. I for one saved alot of money and traded in a paid off truck to get this truck and to now find out that Ford built it with substandard parts pisses me off. If I would have known about this issue before I bought it I would be rolling around in a 2007 SD 6.0 and still had my money I saved. This is the one thing I have not heard is what is this HPFP issue going to do later to the trade in or resale value. All one has to do is look at the value of the 2003-2005 6.0's they suck and after paying 60,000 dollars for a truck that pisses me off.
I realize that there are a small number of failures but what is scary is the few people that are reporting the metal in their fuel filters. Time will tell whether we have a big issue or just premature worry for nothing.
Just my .02
Tom
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From: Calgary, AB, Canada
I see you have assumed the roll of protagonist...good luck with that one...why are you shouting? I can read...
Why has Ford not addressed these questions? It would be quite simple for them, or Bosch, to just say the fuel problem does not apply to the 6.7 Ford HPFP...but all you hear is the sounds of crickets...
The GM question has been answered...there have been some failures but GM has fixed them under warranty....and gave one guy a loaner pickup
...keep shouting guys...it shows the desperation...
Peace
Why has Ford not addressed these questions? It would be quite simple for them, or Bosch, to just say the fuel problem does not apply to the 6.7 Ford HPFP...but all you hear is the sounds of crickets...
The GM question has been answered...there have been some failures but GM has fixed them under warranty....and gave one guy a loaner pickup
...keep shouting guys...it shows the desperation...
Peace
You're mistaking desperation for frustration, which is why I need to step away from this again and quit getting sucked in to the nonsense.
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Is there a press release?
If Ford was working up something Ford would be fixing the few HPFP's that have failed instead of throwing the cost at the customer at first until they have a better understanding.
Or maybe they already understand.
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Okay guys, I just got done with some cleanup. There has been WAY too much bickering and personal attacks that have happened here. We have to stop this and keep reasonably on topic, which is the potential long term reliability of the fuel systems that these trucks use. That's it.
I'm not trying to be difficult but here's the deal: This is a 6.7L Powerstroke forum on a Ford Truck site. These engines may use a similar pump but they're not the same. They have different filtration, operating conditions, RPMs, average engine load, pump versions, and numerous other variances. To put simply, they aren't the same thing. I invite anyone who wishes to learn about the VW failures to visit VW forums, but it will not be discussed here.
If anyone has a problem with this feel free to contact an ADMINISTRATOR.
Originally Posted by dbc001
Powerstroke72 .... while I get the obvious about keeping the VW stuff out of here I have to say the information presented by NinerBikes has been very valuable. There are more similarities than not when you dial in the concepts, pump manufacturer, longer experience trail, and VW responses to the issue. Their analysis of the roller cam and the defect in design and the materials used was great. This could lend a ton of credibility to our cause if in fact there is a cause. I for one am willing to see through the VW haze to gleen as much info as possible ...... even with the fact I could pull 20 VWs down the road and they couldn't pull one SD
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Something to think about......
Let's say in 4-5 years some of us want to trade in our 6.7's and we take it to the dealer and try to trade it in on a new one and they tell us that it is not worth that much because "you have one with a bad fuel pump and we are going to have to change the fuel system out" therefore your trade value will reflect that. I for one saved alot of money and traded in a paid off truck to get this truck and to now find out that Ford built it with substandard parts pisses me off. If I would have known about this issue before I bought it I would be rolling around in a 2007 SD 6.0 and still had my money I saved. This is the one thing I have not heard is what is this HPFP issue going to do later to the trade in or resale value. All one has to do is look at the value of the 2003-2005 6.0's they suck and after paying 60,000 dollars for a truck that pisses me off.
I realize that there are a small number of failures but what is scary is the few people that are reporting the metal in their fuel filters. Time will tell whether we have a big issue or just premature worry for nothing.
Just my .02
Tom
Let's say in 4-5 years some of us want to trade in our 6.7's and we take it to the dealer and try to trade it in on a new one and they tell us that it is not worth that much because "you have one with a bad fuel pump and we are going to have to change the fuel system out" therefore your trade value will reflect that. I for one saved alot of money and traded in a paid off truck to get this truck and to now find out that Ford built it with substandard parts pisses me off. If I would have known about this issue before I bought it I would be rolling around in a 2007 SD 6.0 and still had my money I saved. This is the one thing I have not heard is what is this HPFP issue going to do later to the trade in or resale value. All one has to do is look at the value of the 2003-2005 6.0's they suck and after paying 60,000 dollars for a truck that pisses me off.
I realize that there are a small number of failures but what is scary is the few people that are reporting the metal in their fuel filters. Time will tell whether we have a big issue or just premature worry for nothing.
Just my .02
Tom
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I guess the thing to do is hope an aftermarket pump becomes available that you can swap out before the OEM one finally wears down if wearing down also means a $10k repair bill.
That or dump a bunch of water in your fuel tank and let the dealer diagnose water in fuel so you can try and cheat the insurance company into paying for the repairs.
The big question in my mind is, what is the life expectancy of these pumps? That is a serious question on my part. I've got over 392k miles on my current truck that I ordered from the dealer just the way I wanted it. It showed up with 19 miles on the odometer, the rest were all by me. So when I ask how long they will last, I'm not talking about just 100k or 200k.
The traditional advantage of a diesel has been it's fuel economy and longevity, in addition to low end torque and power. I'm starting to wonder if diesel has lost it's edge.
That or dump a bunch of water in your fuel tank and let the dealer diagnose water in fuel so you can try and cheat the insurance company into paying for the repairs.
The big question in my mind is, what is the life expectancy of these pumps? That is a serious question on my part. I've got over 392k miles on my current truck that I ordered from the dealer just the way I wanted it. It showed up with 19 miles on the odometer, the rest were all by me. So when I ask how long they will last, I'm not talking about just 100k or 200k.
The traditional advantage of a diesel has been it's fuel economy and longevity, in addition to low end torque and power. I'm starting to wonder if diesel has lost it's edge.
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