To all people considering deleting the DPF:

Here is a great article outlining the benefits and risks template

Also, just went to my local 4 wheel Parts store and was told that they had their corporate hands slapped by the EPA for selling DPF delete tuners and exhaust pipes. EPA told them to stop or else face prosecution even though the chain requires customers to cerify that the mods are for off road use only. Apparently the EPA didnt care what sign off the store got from the customer..

I was also told that the EPA is now going after the MFG of the tuners and trying to shut off production. Bottom line seems to be...get them while you can for shortly they may be really hard to find...

 

So what's to stop the EPA from getting your name on the sign off wavier and coming directly after the owner of the truck? After all the govt. is broke and does need money.

 

oh the lovely epa, boy thank god they are there to protect us from ourselves, meanwhile a ton of commercial jets fly overhead dumping exhaust on our heads.

 

Not a thing. They have done things in the past where they forced the manufacturers to do a forced recall/buyback of all devices. Not sure if they will go that far on current devices, but it has happened in the past.

 

Shaun, do you have a refrence for that. That sounds extreme even for the EPA. Their style is more toward forcing states to adopt laws to support the EPA programs. But if you know of a forced buyback, please share with us.

 

I do know that Edge wrote a letter a couple months back saying they were abandoning their racing division. That's the division that made and sold DPF delete tuners. Of course Edge stated it was because they were shocked and amazed to find out that many of their customers were using the racing tuners for "on road" operations. What a crock. Anyway, I guess once what's in stock now is all sold they are out of the delete business. I thought it might be a California initiative but they are a Utah company so either the feds got to them or they had a big attack of consience.

As I read the act the EPA is using for the DPF actions the enforcement was assigned to the US Attorney General. I'm not sure exactly how that would work but I guess EPA would do the legwork and the AG would then write the letter. I don't think there are any companies selling delete stuff that would stand up against that. More likely they would cease selling it like Edge has and another company will pop up selling the same stuff under a different brand name. As long as there is a market someone will meet the need. And as long as the technology causes the harm to these 50 to 60,000 dollar trucks that the DPF technology does, there will be a market.

The EPA wouldn't have to be shut down, just trimmed down as part of a smaller federal government. That would get them off our trucks. We are such a minute part of the total of vehicles on the highway that we're just an after thought. My guess is what they reall want is the eighteen wheelers, that's a really big target and would gain them a lot more political visibility.

 

Edge should have simply kept their mouth shut.
A web search and five minutes of their time and had they not known, they would have.
Of course they knew people were using their products in daily drivers.
That's funny though.

 

Yeah, here's one they did against Casper regarding O2 sensors,
Casper's Electronics, Inc. | Civil Enforcement | Compliance and Enforcement | US EPA

The devices were marketed for Off-Road Use only. Unfortunately, as I understand it, with the new Clean Air Act there are no exemptions for Off-Road use, as such, they were deemed illegal and the EPA won against them.

and they also did one against Cummins,
02/22/2010: Cummins Inc. Agrees to Pay $2.1 Million Penalty for Diesel Engine Clean Air Act Violations

Although I believe this was just a blunder on Cummins part. They weren't selling engines or devices for Off-Road use, they just had a compliance issue. But the EPA still went after them for it and won because of the Clean Air Act.

 

Wow, sorry I doubted you. I just read a lot of claims on the internet that can't be backed up. Now that I see this I think I remember reading about cummins. Wonder what happens if you tell the manufacturer you threw the part away, or sold the vehicle. Probably nothing. I can see them taking Cummins to court, the other company seems small for that. Usually a letter from the feds will do the trick. Thanks for the info. If you read my post above about Edge you know what they have done and it all fits.

 

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Yeah, but as small as Casper was, what's to stop them going after Spartan, H&S or anyone else?

Also, SCT released a similar letter a couple months ago and just before that, SEMA sent out an announcement which basically poo pooed non EPA compliant devices or offroad use devices.

I missed something, which posts you referring to exactly?

 

Is SCT part of Edge? They look the same, at least the hardware does. SEMA, I'm not familar, some Manufacturers Association????? Whatever it is two is coincidence, three is a pattern.

 

No, SCT is a different company. Edge and SuperChips is the same company.

Their devices do look very much alike, in thinking same provider.

SEMA is Special Equipment Market Association. It was the big auto show recently.

I've heard both SCT and Edge/SuperChips made the decisions in their own, but I agree, big coincidence.

 

You are, and I removed it before I posted.

 

I think everyone will have to go the route that I am currently. A dpf on tune that retains all mandated emissions.

I know as well that Banks went the extra step and has the 6-gun approved for Cali emissions as well.

Question remains how long before that is all that is offered.