DPF delete and the EPA!
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From: Frederick, MD
I had the banks 6 gun on mine. I am quite sure that it would void the warranty when it came down to it.
It is also CARB compliant and a much better tuner then the superchips btw.
don't kid yourself the DPF is hard on performance and the motor. 6 gun overcame a lot of it with spreading out and shortening the regens. I had <.5% oil growth for the time I owned mine.
To tell you the truth duty cycle had a lot more to do with that then anything.
It is also CARB compliant and a much better tuner then the superchips btw.
don't kid yourself the DPF is hard on performance and the motor. 6 gun overcame a lot of it with spreading out and shortening the regens. I had <.5% oil growth for the time I owned mine.
To tell you the truth duty cycle had a lot more to do with that then anything.
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From: Georgia
Sorry I didn't mean to sound so snotty in my post above. I get that the poster is in CA and afraid to delete. Other than a few months in 1964 I've never been there so I won't comment on that. My point is that the only way to realize the awsome performance of the 6.4 is to get the DPF off. But be careful, you can blow a head gasket. UGH!!
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Sorry I didn't mean to sound so snotty in my post above. I get that the poster is in CA and afraid to delete. Other than a few months in 1964 I've never been there so I won't comment on that. My point is that the only way to realize the awsome performance of the 6.4 is to get the DPF off. But be careful, you can blow a head gasket. UGH!!
With the 6.4's series turbochargers, these trucks can make a crap ton of boost with big tunes.
There is also no wastegate, just VVT control of the turbocharger, but that is sometimes not enough.
In stock form, the EGR can be used as a wastegate, but nobody really wants that.
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I also wonder if the 6.4 would have done better with a tighter TQ converter, so the engine is working harder in town, instead of running higher RPM with lots of TC slip.
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From: Frederick, MD
Keeping the short trips down and working the motor hard. Be it hwy or towing.
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Yeah well I agree with that, I see more high mileage 6.4's that are fleet and commercially used for real work, and the guys that use them for daily driving and think they're being easy on them and pampering them seem to have the most issues. DPF ones anyways.
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From: Georgia
The DPF being gone doesn't blow a head gasket, big tunes blow head gaskets.
With the 6.4's series turbochargers, these trucks can make a crap ton of boost with big tunes.
There is also no wastegate, just VVT control of the turbocharger, but that is sometimes not enough.
In stock form, the EGR can be used as a wastegate, but nobody really wants that.
With the 6.4's series turbochargers, these trucks can make a crap ton of boost with big tunes.
There is also no wastegate, just VVT control of the turbocharger, but that is sometimes not enough.
In stock form, the EGR can be used as a wastegate, but nobody really wants that.
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From: Redford, Mi.
Yep, that's too bad though, that just some of us that don't work the crap out of the truck use other measures to make it dependable, good thing I was stupid(or maybe I should say uninformed) when I bought the truck, because I don;t know if I'd be happy with anything else. If I ever retire this thing I hope I'll be able to find another one that is comparable.
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Delete Delete Delete
Of course it voids your warranty but don't say they aren't worth it. I deleted mine at 49000 miles removed the egr etc. Gained about 9mpg empty and 5mpg towing. Having said that the ONLY failure to 100k miles I had was my radiator which of course Ford blamed ON MY TUNER. In summation the benefit of the delete is the incredible power gains the peace of mind knowing I would NOT have dpf issues or egr issues and so much better mpg. In other words MORE reliability. Warranty well it's a crap shoot. Ford will deny your radiator claim anyway.
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I now live in a mindset where I would rather pay 1/2 of new price for a truck almost off warranty.
With a little left, any issues can be fixed, but really warranty is a huge PITA anyways, IMHO.
If my truck breaks, I get a new one. I need it for work, there is no way it's sitting at the dealership for weeks on end while they mess with it.
The truck I have now I paid half of sticker price, with 60,000 km's on it, and warranty left. To me, warranty and 60,000 km's isnt worth 30 grand, but to each their own.
With a little left, any issues can be fixed, but really warranty is a huge PITA anyways, IMHO.
If my truck breaks, I get a new one. I need it for work, there is no way it's sitting at the dealership for weeks on end while they mess with it.
The truck I have now I paid half of sticker price, with 60,000 km's on it, and warranty left. To me, warranty and 60,000 km's isnt worth 30 grand, but to each their own.
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The 6.7 is very impressive in comparison to the 6.4 in low end grunt, i would say its very comparable to a certain inline 6 without naming a certain engine and causing a debate.....
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I can tell you first hand a tighter converter is not the way to go with the 6.4. I am running a lower stall and a tighter converter. The trans temps are much lower towing in hot conditions , and overall towing is better but the 6.4 lacks the low end grunt to really utilize a lower stall. The engines sweet spot is 2000-2500 based on a lot of time on a dyno and my own personal use, so running the engine with a 1600 stall vs the factory 1950 results in a lot of lag of the line. IF your running bigger turbos it would only be worse. In addition the trans shifts lower from 10-40 mph the engine only runs out around 1300-1600 rpm. Milage went up a little, when i regeared to 4:30 from 3:73 i was much happier with the converter as the engine is now back to 1800-2000 and performs much better.
The 6.7 is very impressive in comparison to the 6.4 in low end grunt, i would say its very comparable to a certain inline 6 without naming a certain engine and causing a debate.....
The 6.7 is very impressive in comparison to the 6.4 in low end grunt, i would say its very comparable to a certain inline 6 without naming a certain engine and causing a debate.....
1300-1600 RPM sounds a lot better for in town cruising and driving. The TQ converters on these seem so loose, especially with a tune. I bet you would have liked it if you maybe reprogrammed shift points a little bit. I would sacrifice off the line jump for lower RPM's, better MPG, and longer transmission life, any day of the week, but thats me.
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From: Melbourne, Ky
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From: Melbourne, Ky
No!! Camp Springs, KY. The post office prefers Melbourne, KY, but I live in a rural area known as Camp Springs. About 15 miles southeast of Cincinnati, OH.
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