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Old 12-19-2011, 01:46 AM
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Calling all V10 Engine Swap Experts :)

I apologize if this has been beaten to death but couldn't find any answers quick and was hoping an expert or 2 could chime in. Looking at purchasing this truck in the next couple days, that's a few hours away.

I'm looking at an 05 F350 with a locked up engine. Have not seen the truck in person but the story was that it had a loud thumping noise before it locked up. I'm thinking the block is going to be toast and not rebuild-able. Just curious what my options are going to be getting a replacement engine.

1) Just replace with another v10 and call it a day. What years of blocks are the same and/or will bolt up fine?

2) Perhaps find a 6.0L since I'm really comfortable with them. Would I just need the wiring harness and ECU for the main stuff? Not sure if it has the Torqshift? Would the tranny bolt up to the 6.0L?

3) Maybe even find a 5.4L if I have no luck with the 2 above. Would the tranny bolt up?

Sorry for the lack of info, havn't wrenched on one of the V10's. I know I popped a couple spark plugs in my F350 work truck that was older than an 05.

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Old 12-19-2011, 05:57 AM
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What's your budget, hoped for or actual on the new motor?

If its locked up as claimed chances are something inside is bad news----good to at least be planning on replacing it.
 
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Old 12-19-2011, 10:58 AM
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Easiest to replace with a V10, the tranny won't match a 6.0.

The '05 does have the Torqshift.

More people will chime in and fill in the gaps more than I can right now.
 
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Old 12-19-2011, 12:39 PM
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Thx Krewat
 
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Old 12-19-2011, 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted by JWA View Post
What's your budget, hoped for or actual on the new motor?

If its locked up as claimed chances are something inside is bad news----good to at least be planning on replacing it.
Not really sure on a budget. I would prolly be looking for a rebuildable V10 unless a good deal came along.

I would say that I want to stay under 2-3k in parts. I've seen on other post's a complete 05+ V10 go for $1200 on ebay. Not sure how common/realistic that is, but I can wait it out. I'm going to tear the block down if I pick up the truck but I am not expecting it to be rebuild-able...

Curious as I know nothing about the v10. I've noticed some people with the older 2v's swapping out the head's/intakes with the 3v's? To recoup some money on a replacement engine, what do the parts for that swap go for used, in good condition?
 
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I believe, except for the timing cover, that you could use a 2-valve block, put your 3-valves heads on it, and bolt it in. You MIGHT want to check out the oil filter/cooler adapter while doing this. Vans use a different one.

You would, of course, use the entire valve train/timing chain/etc from the 3-valve on the 2-valve block.
 
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Old 12-19-2011, 03:55 PM
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The V10 TorqShift transmission is almost identical to the 6.0L trans. There is no difference worth mentioning. A 6.0L will bolt up and work with a V10 trans just fine.
 
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The truck is set up for a gasser already so I would put another 3V V10 back in it. You could buy a Ford reman and use the junk engine for the core, tear apart the current engine and rebuild it or keep an eye out for a used long block. The used long block will probably be the cheapest but may take some time to find a good donor engine.
 
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The challenge will be finding "used" 3V components.... these things have proven to be incredibly tough. Not many broken ones. Hopefully enough are getting wrecked now to provide some used parts.
I would start by tearing down the existing engine and find what broke.
If something in short block, you are best off to go with '05+. I put an '06 3V block under my 2V heads. The only significant change I found is that the '05 block has 2 knock sensors and 2 bosses cast into the block for them - one on each cylinder bank. The pre-2005 2V blocks have only one boss in the center of the valley. The oil cooler logs are slightly different as well, but are bolt on and cross-compatible.
If something in the heads, I have a set of 3V heads with only 6K miles on them waiting for someone like you... Lots of other parts as well.
 
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Originally Posted by Mark Kovalsky View Post
The V10 TorqShift transmission is almost identical to the 6.0L trans. There is no difference worth mentioning. A 6.0L will bolt up and work with a V10 trans just fine.
thats what i thought aswell..

even if it had a 5.4L it would still have the same trans wouldnt it??

i didnt think there was any difference between the torqshift trans in a given model year.
 
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Old 12-19-2011, 08:31 PM
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The 5.4L has less clutch plates in some of the clutches. Other than that it's the same.
 
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Originally Posted by mwsF250 View Post
The challenge will be finding "used" 3V components.... these things have proven to be incredibly tough. Not many broken ones. Hopefully enough are getting wrecked now to provide some used parts.
I would start by tearing down the existing engine and find what broke.
If something in short block, you are best off to go with '05+. I put an '06 3V block under my 2V heads. The only significant change I found is that the '05 block has 2 knock sensors and 2 bosses cast into the block for them - one on each cylinder bank. The pre-2005 2V blocks have only one boss in the center of the valley. The oil cooler logs are slightly different as well, but are bolt on and cross-compatible.
If something in the heads, I have a set of 3V heads with only 6K miles on them waiting for someone like you... Lots of other parts as well.
I am looking to replace my 2v V-10 ('99 w/52k mi.) with a newer 3v engine. This is in my 32' motorhome....need more h.p. Can I do this or is the newer electronics too different?
 
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I am looking to replace my 2v V-10 ('99 w/52k mi.) with a newer 3v engine. This is in my 32' motorhome....need more h.p. Can I do this or is the newer electronics too different?
I was told it is a different ECM and wire harness. I'd bet some of the sensors are different too.
 
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You COULD swap in a 3-valve, but you'd have to do away with the variable-plenum functionality in the intake which is going to hurt performance either on the low-end or high-end.

A '99 engine is a non-PI head, so it lacks a lot of breathing ability at high RPMs. Switching to PI heads and intake would wake it up a bit. Search around here, there was a thread recently about the differences. Better to swap the entire engine (long block) because the pistons are different. There might be issues with the EGR but those can be tuned out.
 
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6.8 triton

I found an Ottawa yard truck with a 2 valve 6.8 Triton v10. Does anyone know will this work in a 99f250. I know I will probably need to change pan as and maybe intake and a few other things. Just not sure if it will work.

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