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Old Nov 30, 2011 | 10:13 AM
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hard cold start - fuel pump?

After reading some of the other posts on hard cold weather starts I tried something different this morning and waiting until after the fuel pump stopped doing its thing before cranking. Made a difference and started easier and on the first attempt. Previously, truck would need to be cranked for much longer and often times required a 2nd cycle of glow plugs. All of this at 20 degrees F. Truck is an 05 with 200,000 miles. 1 year old glow plugs, injectors checked by Dealer and are ok, new fuel filters last week and updated flash. I did notice that the fuel pump made a lot of "sucking" or "grinding" noise"??? Any ideas?
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Old Nov 30, 2011 | 11:49 AM
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After reading some of the other posts on hard cold weather starts I tried something different this morning and waiting until after the fuel pump stopped doing its thing before cranking. Made a difference and started easier and on the first attempt. Previously, truck would need to be cranked for much longer and often times required a 2nd cycle of glow plugs. All of this at 20 degrees F.
That's because the glow plugs stay on for a couple of minutes after the glow plug light goes out. Thus, the longer you waited the warmer the cylinders were getting. It's also why the charging system doesn't take over until the plugs shut off. This is where some would say if your using the block heater, the truck would start even easier since the engine is "pre-warmed" by the heater.
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I did notice that the fuel pump made a lot of "sucking" or "grinding" noise"??? Any ideas?
If' it's grinding...you've got a problem. A hum or low buzz sound is normal. Never heard of one making a sucking sound. Maybe you've got a leaking cap o-ring...or cap for that much. I'd look into soon before it gets worse and more expensive.
 
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Old Nov 30, 2011 | 01:13 PM
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Here is a question on the fuel drain plug. I've noticed that when I tighten the plug it does not actually tighten but does stop leaking fuel. Is the plug designed that way to avoid over-tightening or is mine stripped? If its stripped can this compromise the pressure or allow for tougher starts due to air in the system?
 
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Old Nov 30, 2011 | 03:31 PM
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If the plug is stripped, air will suck in where fuel will not leak out.
 
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Old Nov 30, 2011 | 03:35 PM
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Originally Posted by nanuke1
Here is a question on the fuel drain plug. I've noticed that when I tighten the plug it does not actually tighten but does stop leaking fuel. Is the plug designed that way to avoid over-tightening or is mine stripped? If its stripped can this compromise the pressure or allow for tougher starts due to air in the system?
Yes, it would cause trouble. That would also explain where your sucking sound is coming from. If your water drain plug is striped, I'd look into the upgraded design:

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Old Dec 1, 2011 | 09:28 AM
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That would be an amazing thing if that has been causing my problems over the past few years. I will order today and let you know. I always assumed the plug was designed that way and thus could not be overtightened. Its been that way for many years.
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Old Dec 1, 2011 | 09:41 AM
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Howdy nanuke1, you've been gone a good long while. Good to see you back on the boards. Look for an email from me...
 
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Old Dec 1, 2011 | 02:55 PM
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Always nice to be back. I have solved more problems with you guys than the Dealer ever has!
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