Thanks I'll keep that in mind but no matter what Ford will hit me with the diog fee so I may as well put the $160 towards repairs at this time. This is BS what would cause the HPOP prob anyway?

 

I suppose you are right if you have already decided that you won't be doing the repairs (or you won't be going to an independent shop).

The 05-07 model years have the weaknesses I described in post #7 above. That's just the way it is. The 7.3's had CPS and tranny issues, the 5.4's had spark plug issues and some had cam phasor issues ..... thats just life. BTW the issue is rarely the HPOP, it is more commonly in the high pressure oil plumbing.

Many people choose to delete the EGR system or install an aftermarket EGR cooler when they start digging into the engine. That takes care of another weakness. A dealership probably wouldn't do that work for you.

The scangauge II will read codes and will act as a set of gauges for you (which is pretty important in helping avoid a ruptured oil cooler). I will now quite the sell job on gauges and scan tools ......

Let us know what the shop finds out.

 

Thanks mark, I'll get some gauges for it a little down the road if I keep the truck.

Shawn,

 

Since you bought it used and don't know how the previous owner treated it, I would suggest flushing the coolant system (especially if you don't have a way to monitor coolant and oil temps). A friend of mine put all that off and just before he went to sell it, his coolant turned into paste from a ruptured oil cooler. Just some food for thought.

 

Thank you I'll look into that. Appreciate the added info.

 

Ok, took it to Ford and they said there were no codes but they said I have 2 problems. 1 is that they believe my unison rings are dirty or rusted or corroded and that is where the delayed acceloration is coming from. The second thing they don't know yet because they couldn't get it to repeat the no start issue I was having. They told me that the computer codes were mainly for emissions. Is this right or are they feeding me a load of crap? They have to test drive again on Monday to see if they can duplicate the problem I am having.

Shawn

 

Sounds like the truck has sat for etended periods of time this will cause the turbo to rust and the veins to stick. To prevent this I go WOT every so often every couple days or so but go WOT on a hill or something but Make the turbo veins go thru a Full Range of Motion this will keep them from sticking


As far as the Emission codes Hard to say if its causing the no start. But an EGR code could I guess if say the EGR Valve is stuck open. But really hard to say Not knowing the Exact codes they pulled.

This is another good reason for gauges then you would have an Idea whats going on you could make note of the codes that come up and it also keeps the shops from selling you stuff you KNOW you Dont need Kinda keeps them Honest. But that doesnt sound like whats going on here it does sound like you have an honest shop so far

 

But they say they r not pulling ANY codes! Does that sound right?

 

It could easily be the case. I will say though that the codes are not just for emissions - what they said in that regard is just "smoke".

You have choices:

1. Believe them and have the do the work
2. Go somewhere else and see if you get the same diagnosis (or better)
3. Get gauges and a scantool and take on the diagnosis and even repair work yourself.

We can help you with the repair work if you wish. We do not have the truck and no "internet magic" can answer your questions without more information - which we (and you) can't get without the help of diagnostic tools.

The turbo cleaning does sound like a good place to start.

 

Thanks a lot Bismic, I told them I would do the turbo myself but if it's not sending any codes I was hoping they could at least figure out what my other problem was. I am going to get a set of gauges but I just figured that if i turned it over to the pros they I could save the $160 for now. I'm sorry It seems like I'm being a tight wad with this gauges thing but my wife starts chemo on Wed so u know, more important things to spend money on otherwise I'd just bite the bullet and get everything I needed right away. Anyhow thank you and I knew you guys would help with the repairs and that is awesome. I'm kinda worried if it is an HPOP problem is it expensive and is that something a couple guys can do on their own.
Thanks again guys

Shawn,

 

Here we go guys, Ford couldn't figure out why it don't start sometimes. They said they needed to get it to not start for them before they could figure out what was causing it. It is not throwing any codes. Aren't there some fluid tests that I can do myself to maybe narrow this problem down. If it were an HPOP prob wouldn't It send a code? Please don't rail on me about getting gauges guys as I am going to as soon as I can afford them. I just want to know if there are some things that I can look into on my own in the meantime. There has got to be a way without pulling engine apart Right?

Shawn,

 

I am not railing, but you clearly don't understand some things .........

Yes there are tests, but (as said before) if you don't have the equipment to watch the system parameters (like pressure in the high pressure oil system, IPR duty cycle, FICM voltages and sync, etc) then you JUST CAN'T DO THE TROUBLESHOOTING!

You can pull the cover off of the FICM and check its voltage (as previously suggested), but in an intermittant issue, that has a low chance of yielding results (since the dealership couldn't find anything). If you choose to do that, the procedure is in the Tech Folder.

Do you even have a way to monitor your system voltages - preferably while driving it as well as during the starting process?

Have you at least cleaned the turbo as previously mentioned?

Is there anyone close by that can loan you some parts to swap out with - so that you don't have to buy them (EGR valve, FICM, GPCM are just a few)?

Did you at least ask the dealership what tests they performed? In post #1 you said you were looking for a scanner ..... Amazon had the scangaugeII for $125 and if the money is an issue, I KNOW you can sell it when you are done for $75. That $50 net is much less than a diagnostic trip to the dealership.

Good luck, maybe others will hit on something, at least this is a "bump" ...........

 

Yes, Mark I clearly DO understand and I am VERY mechanicly inclined. I was mearly looking for some other suggestions as to weather or not there were some simple fluid tests that would shed some light. It's not related to EGR(no codes). The turbo needing to be cleaned should have nothing to do with the truck not starting. I've had the truck in to be checked by professionals and am filling you guys in as I go bc I know there is a lot of help here. Like I stated before I will be getting gauges when I can so if there is nothing that can be done until I get them there needn't be any responses, Right? Thank you for what you have provided and will post what I find.

Shawn,

 

Powerstroke.07...I have been dealing with a similar situation. No trouble codes present and no restart. I did all of the troubleshooting I possibly could with information gathered from FTE. I replaced the ICP and pigtail, IPR, HPOP orings, fuel pressure regulator spring, reflowed the FICM, cleaned the turbo, and sealed an exhaust leak on the turbo intake Y pipe. I still had a no start condition. The truck continued to sit in my driveway and all of my hair had been pulled out. I finally picked up a ScanGaugeII to monitor all of the above mentioned parameters. I have narrowed the hot no restart issue down to the mass flow desired (MFD) signal. There is an issue with fuel delivery to the injectors. If it started up, the truck idled like crap and there was a lag with the throttle response. This may not be what you are dealing with, but my diagnosis would not have been possible without the scanner. You will be blindly guessing for answers if you do not have real time data.

Good Luck.

 

Thank you all, Fixxer-upper- it sounds like similar issues and I'll let you know what I find and please let me know if you fix your problem.

Shawn,