Windshield replacement question...
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Windshield replacement question...
Just got back from town after having my windshield replaced, and they put in the wrong one for a 1987-1996.
I told the guy my concern before picking it up, IE: vin number is now obscured, and he looked in his computer and said our original windshields are superceeded by the new one.
Can anyone confirm if our year correct windshields have been superceeded or if the glass installer has been telling me porkies?
Numberdummy?
I told the guy my concern before picking it up, IE: vin number is now obscured, and he looked in his computer and said our original windshields are superceeded by the new one.
Can anyone confirm if our year correct windshields have been superceeded or if the glass installer has been telling me porkies?
Numberdummy?
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Ugh, they did they same thing to me. Newer windshield obscures the VIN number. I didn't realize it until months later.
Also, it seems to me that the newer windshield leaves a larger gap between its outside surface and the chrome edging strip that goes around its perimeter. Leaves and pine needles get trapped in that larger gap easily.
Also, it seems to me that the newer windshield leaves a larger gap between its outside surface and the chrome edging strip that goes around its perimeter. Leaves and pine needles get trapped in that larger gap easily.
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I would be calling shenanigans. The windshield vin number is one of the first ones that the DMV, Police, etc refer to. In fact, obscuring that vin may be against the law, kinda like intentionally removing the plate. I would definitely be checking into having it corrected because I can not believe that they would be allowed to supercede the 80-86 window with these given circumstances.
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The thing is I asked for OEM glass, and they gave me a Ford windshield for the wrong year.
If I went with an aftermarket windshield, I wouldn't have had the problem.
It was one of those, "@#$!%" moments when you go to pick your truck up after they already installed it.
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I was also thinking "shenanigans". I may go to the ford dealer today and ask the body shop about it, or the local CHP. I'm not sure it was the installers fault because his computer part number information did have our old part number, with a cross refference to use the new windshield part number . I wouldn't put it past Ford to superceed something like that though.
If I went with an aftermarket windshield, I wouldn't have had the problem.
It was one of those, "@#$!%" moments when you go to pick your truck up after they already installed it.
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I was also thinking "shenanigans". I may go to the ford dealer today and ask the body shop about it, or the local CHP. I'm not sure it was the installers fault because his computer part number information did have our old part number, with a cross refference to use the new windshield part number . I wouldn't put it past Ford to superceed something like that though.
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I'm curious, does the gap between your new windshield and the chrome trim piece that goes around its perimeter (on the outside of the truck) seem wider now than it used to be? Mine has an almost 1/8" leaf-collecting gap, and I wonder if it is due to the "new" OEM windshield or alternatively perhaps to the trim piece not being installed correctly.
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No, the trim is the same as it was, and I replaced the windshield trim with one from a 1992 model almost 10 years ago when I had the windshield replaced before.
It's possible that they never replaced the plastic retainers with the newer metal type ones and it's not fitting properly due to busted plastic retainers.
Haven't had time to check with the dealer or the CHP yet, but will do so tomorrow.
It's possible that they never replaced the plastic retainers with the newer metal type ones and it's not fitting properly due to busted plastic retainers.
Haven't had time to check with the dealer or the CHP yet, but will do so tomorrow.
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I changed my windshield out myself with one for a 92-96 F150. I knew in advance that I would have the same situation as yours. I liked the black surround on the newer ones so I went for it. Once I had the old windshield out, I drilled the rivet out for the VIN tag, and moved it so it lined up with the cutout in the new windshield. So you can see the VIN through the windshield, but only after removing the dash pad.
The only reason to check the VIN on a vehicle in Oregon (that I have heard of - for whatever that's worth) is for a verification when a title is transferred on a vehicle that has a reconstructed title (it's been totaled at some point in it's life).
The only reason to check the VIN on a vehicle in Oregon (that I have heard of - for whatever that's worth) is for a verification when a title is transferred on a vehicle that has a reconstructed title (it's been totaled at some point in it's life).
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And.....
Mine has the gap a few of you are talking about. But I don't think that is a difference in the windshield, it is a difference in the installation. Not enough glue results in a leak, too much spooges out the sides and creates a horrendous mess. I didn't quite use enough glue, and erred on the side of no leaks by sinking the windshield back about 1/8" further than the previous one.
Mine has the gap a few of you are talking about. But I don't think that is a difference in the windshield, it is a difference in the installation. Not enough glue results in a leak, too much spooges out the sides and creates a horrendous mess. I didn't quite use enough glue, and erred on the side of no leaks by sinking the windshield back about 1/8" further than the previous one.
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1980/86 F100/800 & Bronco / 1983/89 FT800/900 / 1987/94 F600/800 / 1995/98 F700/800 / 1999 F800.
NAGS (National Auto Glass Society) windshield part numbers:
W910: Includes mirror bracket.
W911: Less mirror bracket.
NAGS (National Auto Glass Society) windshield part numbers:
W910: Includes mirror bracket.
W911: Less mirror bracket.
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There is a fellow here at work had the same thing done to him on an 86 F150. Most glass shops keep the 87-97 on hand. He made them pull it out and install the correct one in. If they don't want to do it, you may need to involve your state police or whoever would normally oversee that.
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There is a fellow here at work had the same thing done to him on an 86 F150. Most glass shops keep the 87-97 on hand. He made them pull it out and install the correct one in. If they don't want to do it, you may need to involve your state police or whoever would normally oversee that.
I think as suggested above (thanks!) may window-trim gap is due to reduced window glue thickness. Thanks again everyone..
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I'm curious about something. Years ago, I had an '85 Cavalier (brief pause to allow everyone to stop laughing) and the windshield broke. I had it replaced at a glass shop. It had the same kind of metal windshield trim as my '82 F100. They pulled off the trim and threw it into a pile in the corner of the shop. The new windshield had a metal bead with a black rubber flap on it that bridged the gap between the edge of the glass and the body. I was a little upset at first, but after I looked at it, I decided that it actually looked a lot better than the original trim.
Does anyone know if anyone makes an aftermarket windshield with such a bead/rubber flap for our trucks?
Does anyone know if anyone makes an aftermarket windshield with such a bead/rubber flap for our trucks?
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Well, according to the CHP, and AAA insurance company, it's illegal to hide the vin number.
The man at CHP stated that it would depend on the cop who saw it or pulled me over in a traffic stop whether they would give me a fixing ticket or not for it. He recommended I keep the receipt in the truck and show it in case I get pulled over before I can get it corrected as proof of good will.
Technically they can assume it's stolen and impound the vehicle for full investigation.
I checked with a independent body shop and they say that both glass types are available, but did not say if it's factory OEM or aftermarket.
I called the glass shop who installed the window, and they were not to happy to hear back from me it seemed to me over the phone.. The owner will call me monday, and I will keep you informed.
Fingers crossed and all that...
The man at CHP stated that it would depend on the cop who saw it or pulled me over in a traffic stop whether they would give me a fixing ticket or not for it. He recommended I keep the receipt in the truck and show it in case I get pulled over before I can get it corrected as proof of good will.
Technically they can assume it's stolen and impound the vehicle for full investigation.
I checked with a independent body shop and they say that both glass types are available, but did not say if it's factory OEM or aftermarket.
I called the glass shop who installed the window, and they were not to happy to hear back from me it seemed to me over the phone.. The owner will call me monday, and I will keep you informed.
Fingers crossed and all that...
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