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Crower's perplexing Cam
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No, it is not my forum. I merely said that if you want to talk about your engine, then open a thread regarding your engine. I'm sure there are a lot of guys who would like to hear about it. But in this thread there are guys, myself included, who come to this thread to read about Crower's Cams. They return to this site to read because an email is sent to them. They then decide if they want to read about a cam. I found myself disappointed and perplexed and wanting to read about a cam, only to find more info about your engine.
Crower's Cam: I spoke to Crower. They said it did seem mislabeled. They also said their biggest problem is people buying the biggest cam possible w/o regard to all the items involved, ie head, exhaust, c.r. ratio, and rear gears, and then find they can't run their engine, or it doesn't run how they want it to. Basically, it sounds like they are covering their backsides with all the precaution stuff. And most of it just isn't true. Cam part #19213, grind #266HDP, is a mild cam, and will run great with oem compression ratio and above.
Crower's Cam: I spoke to Crower. They said it did seem mislabeled. They also said their biggest problem is people buying the biggest cam possible w/o regard to all the items involved, ie head, exhaust, c.r. ratio, and rear gears, and then find they can't run their engine, or it doesn't run how they want it to. Basically, it sounds like they are covering their backsides with all the precaution stuff. And most of it just isn't true. Cam part #19213, grind #266HDP, is a mild cam, and will run great with oem compression ratio and above.
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Engine tech guru's and web tech guru's are seldom the same person. This, naturally, leads to pranks getting pulled from time to time......
As was mentioned pretty early on in this thread.
Or am I not allowed to post here either?
As was mentioned pretty early on in this thread.
Or am I not allowed to post here either?
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I wonder if that cam would lope at idle? Anyone?
It looks like I need to change my t.gears (rattling, growling), so I think I'll install a new cam, either the Isky 262 or that crower cam.
It looks like I need to change my t.gears (rattling, growling), so I think I'll install a new cam, either the Isky 262 or that crower cam.
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Yes, yes. Cams are all such a rich tapestry.
I would take an under cammed engine vs. an over cammed engine in a truck any day. But people always want to sacrifice performance where they spend 90% of their time driving for something that only works really well the other 10% of the time. Especially a 300 - since it was designed to turn low revs against relatively high gears in a heavy vehicle. I'm probably going to get Isky's Mil-A-Mor cam.
Crower's Cam: I spoke to Crower. They said it did seem mislabeled. They also said their biggest problem is people buying the biggest cam possible w/o regard to all the items involved, ie head, exhaust, c.r. ratio, and rear gears, and then find they can't run their engine, or it doesn't run how they want it to. Basically, it sounds like they are covering their backsides with all the precaution stuff. And most of it just isn't true. Cam part #19213, grind #266HDP, is a mild cam, and will run great with oem compression ratio and above.
I would take an under cammed engine vs. an over cammed engine in a truck any day. But people always want to sacrifice performance where they spend 90% of their time driving for something that only works really well the other 10% of the time. Especially a 300 - since it was designed to turn low revs against relatively high gears in a heavy vehicle. I'm probably going to get Isky's Mil-A-Mor cam.
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Well, everyone has their own definition of lope. Once you get to ~220 degrees @.050" you can get a choppy idle if you keep the idle speed low. 230-240 degrees and it's choppy idling ~900-1,000 rpm.
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I would think the Crower 266 would act like the Comp 260 in that it's really an RV cam. It's good for slightly better than stock performance where you want to breath a little bit better but keep that low end torque to haul with.
Depending on your exhaust system, at idle it could sound similar to some Dodge trucks. Until you hit the gas, then it'll sound like a diesel again.
Depending on your exhaust system, at idle it could sound similar to some Dodge trucks. Until you hit the gas, then it'll sound like a diesel again.
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Got an email from Crower. I gave them all the details of my engine, 3.31 r.gears, C6 trans with stock t.converter, 9.3:1 c.r., and they recommended that cam for a daily driver, towing.
Somebody wrote the wrong synopsis.
Sorry to beat this topic to death, but they are offering that cam and kit (v.springs, molly retainers, v.seals, and lifters and cam) for $209.20 with free shipping!! That sounds like a really nice price.
Somebody wrote the wrong synopsis.
Sorry to beat this topic to death, but they are offering that cam and kit (v.springs, molly retainers, v.seals, and lifters and cam) for $209.20 with free shipping!! That sounds like a really nice price.
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I just got off the phone with them its $342 + freight and tax for that cam+kit.
Spring & Retainer Kit
+ http://www.crower.com/camshafts/ford...m-266-hdp.html
= $342
On top of that the guy on the phone didn't seem to know much about anything in regards to the cam in question he tried to tell me that cam would allow my engine to turn 6000 rpm and actually insisted that it would. They were polite I'll give them that and I have known people who have used their products with great results but they didn't inspire much confidence and for the price I don't think i'd see any gains over going with someone else.
Spring & Retainer Kit
+ http://www.crower.com/camshafts/ford...m-266-hdp.html
= $342
On top of that the guy on the phone didn't seem to know much about anything in regards to the cam in question he tried to tell me that cam would allow my engine to turn 6000 rpm and actually insisted that it would. They were polite I'll give them that and I have known people who have used their products with great results but they didn't inspire much confidence and for the price I don't think i'd see any gains over going with someone else.
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