I had to make an emergency run to pick up a Case 590 Super M (dispatch to me it was a 580 Super L, ) at a job site today with my F250. I was running a gooseneck 14k trailer, but this machine weighs around 16,200lbs. I never approve of overloading, but sometimes you have to do what you have to do. Question is I thought this heavy tow might not be so bad if i could get 2k over the rear of the truck and the rest on the trailer axles.

Are these trailers and truck ratings under estimated? Also, what type of damage will this do to the truck? Lack of power was not a problem, but I don't know about the driveline. I made it with the machine to my destination (50 miles) but I was nervous the whole time about the weight.

 

Good to hear it had plenty of power.

 

While that is way over what the truck is rated for, it is not uncommon. The biggest concern with the trailer would be the tires. I am assuming 2 axles and 4 tires for a 14k trailer. If they are G rated tires you are probably marginal. E rated tires and you were just plumb lucky.

At low speeds and on decent roads I wouldn't be scared, but I also wouldn't make a regular habit of it.

 

Would this be ok with a 350 srw?

 

I believe it would exceed the towing capacity of any SRW truck. The machine weighed over 16000 pounds without the 14000 GVW trailer.

 

Yep, way over the GCVW of any SRW and over for the F350 DRW too.

A 14K gooseneck equipment trailer is going to weigh somewhere in the 4000 to 4500 lb range unladen (our 14,300 lb GVWR gooseneck weighs 4320 lbs unladen). Trailer weights can vary a lot by manufacturer, but let's just use that as an estimate.

So with a 16,200 lb load and a 4300 (est) lb trailer, you were pulling 20,500 lbs, more or less. That's 6K over your trailer GVWR, and roughly 7K over the F250's rated towing capacity. Add the weight of the truck to that (guessing maybe a little over 8K), and you were at 28,500+ lbs gross.

While it's unlikely you hurt your hitch system or anything else on the truck, the trailer tires were very likely overloaded. I'd bet your F250 was probably squatting pretty low in back too.

You were at least 5K over your GCVWR, and unless you have a Class A CDL, you were over what a basic Class C driver's license allows (26K GCVW). If a County Mountie had pulled you over, or if, God forbid, you'd been in an accident, you'd have very likely been cited for overweight, and probably anything else they could think of, up to getting the book thrown at you.


Joe

 

^ What Joe said. Just count your lucky stars and don't repeat this. Good to know it will roll alright that heavy. You did mention it was an "emergency" situation. Whether you think it is one or not, it doesn't matter when you get pulled over. It may be an inconvenience in timing with a delay on the job, but that delay is safer and, unless you have a really high-profile job, less expensive should you get caught (plus a delay - you'll have to park the load and have it picked up with a proper vehicle). There are other details to consider other than "yeah, I can make that work". Theres the legality of it, insurance, capacities, and the list goes on.

 

Wow that's a lot of weight for an SRW.
My F-250 squats a bit over 2 inches for around a 6,500 lbs loaded 16ft bumper pull.
I can't imagine what my truck would look like with 20,500 lbs.

 

Well I'm glad the guy didn't tell us he was smoking while he did this or he would have really been in for a real morality lesson. Texting and hand held cell phone use kill more people in this country on a daily basis than overloaded trailers yet it seems to be "acceptable".

 

when i spect out my 11 f-350 dually i found out that it could pull a gcvw of 29k. my 08 f-450 with 4:30 gears came in at 26k. due to problems with the regeneration garbage i got rid of the 08 and bought the 11 f-350. because of the weight rating mentioned above i went with the f-350 also, i did not have to buy commercial insurance for the f-350.

 

By way of explaining the numbers I posted upthread, I used a spec chart posted in another FTE thread for the F350 DRW GCVWR, which shows 26K as the max, but it must not show all the options. The insurance issue varies by carrier and state.


Joe

 

I'm sure somebody will correct me if I'm wrong,but I'm pretty sure in Alberta fines start at $1/lb for being over weight. Not sure what it is in your area. That would have been costly. DOT's are everywhere up here.

 

I appreciate the comments. While I was not proud of my actions, it just had to happen. Now dispatch knows between a 580 and a 590.

 

What's the weight difference? Around 2,000 lbs?

On a side note, I find it odd/funny it can go 5.3 MPH faster in reverse.
Who needs to drive 30.8 MPH in reverse!?

 

Id like to tie this string to my truck squating.
I ordered my 12 350 with the 10000 gvwr package it because that is the limit my insurance covers. They tell me they do f350s but their paperwork says 10000 gvwr limit.
Anyway on the build site , the 0 $ option says it raises an f350 gvwr. I believe it lowers it. Can someone explane this? My 04 f350 has 9900 gvwr anyway. Still plenty heavy duty.
Does anyone know what they actualy do to the truck for that option if anything?
Usualy I just haul hay but sometimes sand for runins and boxstalls. When I do it is usualy overloaded, not bad , but it doesnt look like much sand. I usualy load till the helper springs touch and the 04 doesnt sag much, and I only have a couple of miles.
If these new trucks sag it may look overloaded and we wouldnt want that , would we. Will I need airbags? 99.9 % of the time this truck is just a grocery getter
Thanks