Yes the high pressure oil system.

 

Check out this video on YouTube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHcCXST2RxQ&feature=youtube_gdata_player


Sent from my iPhone

 

This is an example of me using the setup I just posted. It is a very handy setup! I have used it many times and has found or at least isolated the problem!
Check out this video on YouTube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyDc2...e_gdata_player


Sent from my iPhone

 

Would like to see some pics if possible. Everything I've found online so far sounds like the surfaces should be flat and smooth with just the pockets machined for oil flow. Maybe if you post some pics then others can comment on it's condition.

I'm still not sure of the exact oil path but David's (Bulla) videos are helping me draw up a better picture. I think that hole is ported to the chamber that receives the IPR bypass oil. The early designs had a check ball for the IPR bypass to return to the sump but the design was changed on the Super Duty models so the oil was pumped up a standpipe to the top of the reservoir and then returns to the sump. I think the return path is directly over the timing gears.

It was later determined that David had the incorrect HPOP gasket installed and that was allowing the oil to make it's way to the other side. The hole on the other side is the drain for the safety pop off valve, just in case the HPOP build too much pressure.

The check ball would be an excellent candidate for our problems here but Jim said he replaced the HPOP and didn't have it rebuilt. The mechanic did not mess with the non-servicable plug so that check valve can't be disturbed. Removing the IPR has no effect as far as I know.

I believe you are correct David.

Is the CPS unplugged by any chance?

Sounds like the cps is plugged in. Might need to let the batteries charge up for a while longer...

Jim,
Are you seeing oil pressure on the dash gauge while cranking?
I think I remember during one of our conversations that you said you purchased the HPOP for the mechanic to install. Did you get it from International or from Ford? Do you happen to have the part number by any chance? Did they ask you for your engine serial number when they looked up the part? There are four variations of HPOP units with two types of gaskets. An early gasket on a later pump could allow the reservoir to leak down. There is also an early and late style IPR valve. According to the Ford tech bulletin, the part updates were tracked by engine serial number so hopefully they used that number when looking up parts for your engine.

 

Got rained out today so we are tearing into it.

HPOP was still full this morning so that might be a good sign.

 

Jim, that is a great sign...Have you gained access to an AE? If you are going to keep this truck the investment in AE would be money well spent...Good luck today!

 

Closest I got was a guy with a scanner snapon. He said he could come out sometime this week.

Got the truck started with a tiny shot of ether. I no I no. So now it still has long cracking. But does fire.

 

Maybe you ought to post a new thread: AE REALLY needed in Oneida, NY area"? If I was anywhere near, I'd come by with mine and my laptop.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dhdvz...e_gdata_player

Sorry its upside down.

 

I'd say you are gonna have to run it up the road to work the air out of the system. Probably have to run it pretty good for a while.

 

Thanks for the vid. Fitting that we would start the week upside down.

Your low pressure oil looks good. On my trucks, the gauge never moves until the engine fires, no matter how long I crank.

How does the truck drive? It'll take 30 miles or so to work the air out of the system.

 

Ok guys we ran the truck 20 miles and came home let it sit for a hour and fired right up! Don't wanna get my hopes up but I think we got it ny replacing the lpop and bleeding the air out.

 

Crossing my fingers for you here in Arizona. Let's hope you got her fixed! And if so, then we now know that a bad LPOP CAN allow the HPOP reservoir to leak down. Maybe having good low pressure oil in the galleries reseated the cold start check ball? I sure would like to get my hands on an extra block and front cover so I can see exactly how the oil system works....

 

So far so good guys... if this thing stays running for me i am going to buy a AE from clay! Just wanna make sure i don't jump the gun and empty my piggy bank too soon!

Thank You all for the help...Saved me a lot of money! A special Thanks to greg(Gchavez) and David (Bulla) for taking the time to talk to me on the phone and figure this thing out!

Also i am thinking the LPOP finally completely died while we were trying to check for the oil coming out of the injectors and this could be the possible reason for the reservoir to empty out. Reason being is the truck should have started with all the cranking we did trying to see oil and also we never did see any oil... thinking that the HPOP pumped out all the oil in the reservoir and no oil came back in. Just a thought.

 

Good thinking. AE will work with all 4 vehicles in your signature so it's really a no brainer if you ask me.

At least we all were right about two things....your mechanic was making WAGs and your injectors were fine.