>tall paul let us know how well it works how much are they
>and can they be used on cars as well?? if you would send
>me that info via e-mail slave2damud(No Email Addresses In Posts!) or just post
>it here thanks

Got mine from Wolverine. All the other dealers I saw wanted 10 to 15 bucks more. Wolverine was $50. They have many sizes if you look on the website. Some even can be put on the tranny. I found out the installation is a little more difficult. I need to fill in the part numbers (stamped into bottom of pan) with JB Weld and smooth it out as if there is an air gap it will cause the heater to burn out. Kevin at Wolverine is very willing to talk and help you get it on right. I hope to get it installed over the weekend and then try it a few days before I post the results here.