I hooked up a prototype device to my van and it pulled over 100 amps. Now my battery is not charging anymore. At one point some water splashed on the alternator but it had seemed to still be charging after that. One of the wires connected to the positive side of the battery was burned. It has been fixed but the battery still is not charging. I have a 200 amp alternator installed and a fairly new battery. Any ideas as to why its not charging? What components make up the charging system/circuit in the 1997 Ford Aerostar XLT? What is the list of components I need to check and what method should I use to check them? Any information or ideas greatly appreciated.

 

First thing I would check is if you had continuity between the positive side of battery and the output on the alternator (the big wire with held on with a nut.) Then check the fusible links. They are located behind the battery at the starter relay. (fusible links are a type of fuse that looks like a wire. Usually when they blow, they get a bit crunchy when you try and flex them.)

What in the heck were you plugging in that would draw over 100 amps?

 

I was testing a prototype I built that is designed to allow me to run the van off of water. It was supposed to be a 3 generator design but I decided to just build and test one because designing and building the first one was so exhausting. I let the van run out of gas in the drive way and tried to crank it more than 10 times and it would not crank because it was completely out of gas. I then plugged the device to the battery and to the intake and tried to crank it once again and it started as if I just filled the tank but there was no gas in the van. It cranked off of nothing but water and it had more power then normal. I have built several different designs and ran allot of test since then. Sometimes I was pulling 30amps and sometimes as high as 115amps. I've also installed a deep cycle marine battery with over 1000 cold cranking amps.

At one point I went to a friends house for about 3 hours and forgot to turn the device off and there was hydrogen gas just pouring from the engine compartment. If there was just one spark I may have been killed in an explosion. It's only dangerous if the unit is running with the van off and the van was off at the time.

After many test I am able to get the van running off of nothing but water for a full 7 minutes with just one generator and the fuel pump unplugged. When I run the van off of water and gas at the same time the power gain is unbelievable. I've built a control device that controls how much fuel and hydrogen the van gets while driving.

By the time I figured out how to get good results at low amperage I had already burned a wire that did not look like it was made to handle 100amps (during testing) otherwise it would not have burned. After I fix this charging problem I may have to use heavier gauge wiring.

I don't plan on selling these devices because I don't have a death wish. I only built these things because I could not afford high gas prices although I never expected just one generator to work as well as it did.

 

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A link to a few photos of one of the first prototypes.

 

That's intriguing; is it an electrolytic cell that dissociates water? So you're generating hydrogen and oxygen with power derived from the alternator, driven by the engine, powered by the hydrogen and oxygen that you generate? Somehow, that seems to violate some laws of thermodynamics.

 

I agree with this observation. You will never get as much energy out of burning hydrogen disassociated from water than it cost you to to separate the molecules in the first place.

The easy way to figure this out is to calculate how much energy is in one given volume of hydrogen. Next figure out how much energy it takes to get that volume from the electrolysis process.

Now when you burn the hydrogen in an internal combustion engine all the energy that is made into heat going out the tail pipe and the radiator is by definition waste. The part that is actually doing the work of pushing pistons to send power to the wheels has got to be a whole lot less.

 

I don't know anything about thermodynamics. I don't really know why it worked but it does. If someone wanted proof.... all you have to do is let the van run completely out of gas, and try to crank it to make sure it's completely out. Once your sure that it will not start do to lack of gas, hook up the device to the battery and the intake. Once hooked up and turned on wait about 2 minutes then try to crank it and it will start. I've done this several times with different designs. I did 2 weeks of research before building the device developing my own solid theories based on other theories about HHO and running cars on water. I believe that the key was my cell design. I used a design that I've never seen before but on purpose. I felt since so many others were scams that I would have a better chance building my own and testing the possibility for my self. As for as the energy thing go (never getting as much energy as it would cost) I broke that one. I gave the van much more energy than it could ever need with the battery and alternator upgrade. I will always have more then enough unused energy left over to power my hho devices and other accessories (unless I burn out another wire in which case I'll just replace it with bigger ones). I do have to admit that it does sound to good to be true but it keeps working every time I test it. When I hooked the device up to my car I noticed I huge difference in performance and I was able to go over 60mph barely tapping the gas. Exploring my own theories allowed me to try things that I've seen no one else try and it worked out in my favor. History has proven that no laws of physics or thermodynamics are perfect. Even though laws of physics and thermodynamics may be close to perfect they were still developed by humans and no human is perfect. As humanity goes on many errors in laws of science will be corrected (assuming that we will find them all).

 

However I was not able to get the car running off of just water with only one generator. I believe it's because the car has a smaller engine and I believe that the smaller 4 cylinder car engine takes in less air then the bigger 4.0 liter v6 Cologne engine in the 1997 Ford Aerostar XLT Sport.

The bigger engine I believe takes in more air therefor has a greater ability to suck in more HHO thus allowing the Cologne V6 engine to perform so well on HHO that you could unplug the fuel pump and it will still keep going. I actually cut the hot to the fuel pump to make sure it was off and not pumping any fuel.

It's my believe that I could get this working in any vehicle with a v6, v8 or bigger engine with the proper adjustments and upgrades. In a way it all seemed too easy, I mean for the device to work on the first try. I have a hard time figuring out why more people haven't tried this or maybe I was just smart enough to make it work?

 

Anyway..... I think that I may have fixed the battery charging issue but I won't be sure until I've driven the van more. The battery did read 12.84 volts which I understand that to be a full charge and I also read 13.something volts with the van running. Maybe I did not give the battery enough time to charge after replacing the burned out wire.

 

You should not let your fuel tank run dry, as it will cause your fuel pump to overheat and fail.

Having said that, you might try your experiment with turning the fuel pump off and running the battery down until it's dead. If you run your device for 2 minutes off the battery to generate some HHO, how long does the engine actually run for? Can you drive the van down the street? I think you will find that once the battery is dead, there is no more energy to dissociate the water into HHO, then the engine will stop running.

Here's why it can't continue. The electrolysis that dissociates water into HHO will lose some energy to heat, so the amount of energy available from burning the HHO that you generated is already less than the energy you used to generate it. Then you burn the HHO in the engine to generate mechanical energy, which is at best 25% efficient in the conversion, so again you lose more energy. If you managed to direct all that remaining mechanical energy from the engine to the alternator to generate electricity, there is more losses there. Now feed all that electrical energy back into your device to try to make more hydrogen. Oops, there is a lot less energy than you started with, because most of it got lost to waste heat. The only way it will keep up is to draw power from the battery. And if you try to divert some of the mechanical energy of the engine to driving the car, you will produce less HHO, or drain the battery down faster.

The reason that the engine will run a lot faster when you are feeding it both gasoline AND hydrogen is that you are giving it more fuel and oxygen than what the computer and engine can get by themselves. Some racers have experimented with this to boost power, but they usually settle on using nitrous oxide injection from pre-charged bottles.

 

I don't run the fuel pump without gas in the tank. I disconnect power from the fuel pump to turn it off completely. Then during the test the van ran for 7 minutes with just one generator with the fuel pump unplugged and yes the van is able to be driven on just water alone for a few minutes. I'm assuming that if I build and hook up all 3 generators that I will never need gas again but for now I'm able to keep the fuel pump off more than half the time while the van is running which saves on gas.

During my test I was running the van on about 90% water and 10% gas. I used a special catalyst in the water to almost doubled the HHO output at lower amps.

I wonder if it would be safe for me to make a video of the experiments? I've heard that bad things happen to people who run there vehicles off water but I should be ok as long as I'm not selling the devices but as long as gas prices are so high, I will continue to run my vehicles off of water. After I get enough cash for a new ECU computer that will allow me to adjust timing I will convert the gas tank and the van to a completely watered powered vehicle that will never need gas again.

Running vehicles off of water was not the biggest challenge for me. The biggest challenge was affording the materials that I needed (my theories seem to have been dead on since it worked). Those who will take the time to understand how a engine works and do the proper amount of research may find that its not as hard as it looks (as long as you do it properly).

The number one thing you must have available to run any vehicle off of water is power. A high amp alternator is one of the most important things as it allows you more available unused power while the vehicle is running. I would write up a full guide on how anyone could get any vehicle to run off of water but could I do it without being assassinated?

I am willing to talk about the device and how well it's progressing with improvements. I think I will start a thread about running vehicles off water because I'm greatly amazed at my progress and I think that people should continue to explore the possibilities. The number one thing people have to do is try it. If you have at least 2 vehicles than I don't think it would hurt to try it on one (unless you make a huge mistake). The timing of the engine seems to play a part also.

The fuel companies would lose billions of dollars a day if everyone was to start driving there vehicles off of water. That's why information about it has always been hidden from the public (that's what I hear anyways).

 

I assume that you mean you are using something to increase the conductivity of the water. I use washing soda (sodium carbonate) when I use electrolytic derusting.

[QUOTE=Kmega99;10538603]After I get enough cash for a new ECU computer that will allow me to adjust timing...
What material are you using for the cathode and the anode? If you are using stainless steel, you are creating a toxic mess as the chrome in the stainless will go into the solution. Graphite is a better choice here.

Before you spend a ton of bucks however you might want to see this:
YouTube - ‪ABSOLUTE PROOF IT IS IMPOSSIBLE FOR HHO TO INCREASE MILES PER GALLON‬‏ this guy does a real good job explaining the physics.

 

Thanks for the video link. I chose to ignore all laws of science and developed my own theories which led me to success with the first device built. All I wanted to know in my very first test is if I was producing enough power from unused energy to start the van. It had surpassed my expectations by actually running and having more power. After that I built and tested different designs that revealed all kinds of results.

 

You have not experienced success with your device. Allow me to prove to prove it to you (you will also prove it to yourself). Start you car, then run it off the HHO generator, no gasoline. Once it is running, leave the HHO generator connected to the alternator, but not the battery. Let me know how long the car runs of just alternator output.

You also are not producing more power, at least not in the sense you think you are. You can seem to produce more power because you are running off the combined energy of your gasoline plus the stored energy in your battery. The same effect can be observed on some hybrid vehicles, were brief bursts of acceleration can be achieved by kicking the electric motors in.

 

The success that I have experienced with my device is that when it's powered it will run the van for 7 minutes with the fuel pump unplugged. When the device has not been hooked up the van dies within seconds after the fuel pump has been unplugged.

Those are the results with the best design that I have built so far.