To all who mentioned saving the environment...

There is NO PROOF that global warming is man made. Please do not think the government cares about the planet that much. There is a ton of money to be made in global warming scams, I wrote a huge research paper in college about how its all a hoax.

Also, as a younger member around here, yes people my age do enjoy the sound of a loud exhaust. I'm glad all you old folks got your wish for a quiet diesel with the 6.7, but if I'm ever fortunate enough to own one, the day its out of warranty I would be straight piping it. And doing no harm to the environment by doing so!

 

I don't remember anyone else mentioning global warming. I agree that there is no proof of it being manmade... there is plenty of proof to the contrary. That's not the point, though.

I live near Dallas, TX. I also live on the edge of the "country"... I can drive 45 minutes one direction and be in the downtown area of one of the nation's most populous cities. Or I can go the opposite direction and be in an area that is so sparsely populated that you can drive for 10 miles without seeing one building. The difference in air quality between these two places is staggering.

Do I think it makes a huge difference in the multi-trillion year lifespan of our planet? Probably not. But in the 80-100 years I plan on living, air pollution *does* have a real affect on *my* life and on the lives of millions of other people. Purposely defeating emissions controls is basically saying "screw your health and quality of life, it's way more important for me to save a few bucks". It's akin to the jackass that will drive up the shoulder to cut off a hundred other cars who are on the exact same road.

 

I do not believe in man-caused global warming, or that global warming is even bad.
That isn't relevant to my point about removing emissions controls.

Below is a table of diesel exhaust contaminants...does anyone really want to breath more of these than we have to?

Contaminant:
acetaldehyde
acrolein (Group 3 carcinogens)
aniline (Group 3 carcinogens)
antimony compounds (Toxicity similar to arsenic poisoning)
arsenic (Group 1 Carcinogens, endocrine disruptor)
benzene (Group 1 Carcinogens)
beryllium compounds (Group 1 Carcinogens)
biphenyl
bis(2-ethylhexyl)phthalate (Endocrine disruptor)
1,3-butadiene (Group 2A carcinogens)
cadmium (Group 1 Carcinogens, endocrine disruptor)
chlorine
chlorobenzene
chromium compounds (Group 3 carcinogens)
cobalt compounds
cresol isomers
cyanide compounds
dibutyl phthalate (endocrine disruptor)
1,8-dinitropyrene Carcinogen
dioxins and dibenzofurans
ethyl benzene
formaldehyde Group 1 Carcinogens
inorganic lead (endocrine disruptor)
manganese compounds
mercury compounds Group 3 carcinogens
methanol
methyl ethyl ketone
naphthalene Group 2B carcinogens
nickel Group 2B carcinogens
3-Nitrobenzanthrone (One of the strongest carcinogens known)
4-nitrobiphenyl
phenol (Endocrine disruptor)
phosphorus
polycyclic organic matter, including polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons (PAHs)
propionaldehyde
selenium compounds Group 3 carcinogens
styrene Group 2B carcinogens
toluene Group 3 carcinogens
xylene isomers and mixtures ,o-xylenes, m-xylenes, p-xylenes Group 3 carcinogens

 

Well I dont want to start an argument here but I feel that it would be hard to prove any specific health complications are caused directly by someone straight piping their exhaust. We made it all these years without DPF and urea so why would it kill us now? There are people who enjoy diesel trucks as a sport in addition to just pulling around their trailer. Check out any issue of diesel power or diesel world magazine to see what I mean. Its hard to see performance gains with all those restrictive exhaust components.

 

every year the number of vehicles on the road increases, and not by a small margin. More vehicles means more pollution...

Just because we survived our past ignorance doesn't mean we should ignore improvements in technology. The new 6.7L *does not* suffer from the same level of performance degredation from the DPF that the older engines did. The new urea system actually allows for *better* performance while still lowering emissions.

Most people resist change, that's a given. I just wish people would actually know *why* they are resisting it. Most times, there isn't a good reason.

 

exactly...I am not a tree hugger by any means...but there is not a performance hit to fix here by removing the DPF or DEF systems. Mileage improvements associated with DPF removal will be very small due to the increased use of passive regeneration. DEF removal will not increase mileage at all...this action takes place after the power is produced.

...as to the exuberance of youth...all us old folks BTDT...how do you think you got here???

Regards

 

Take it from someone who just traded in a deleted 2010 6.4 there is nothing to gain from it for the average driver. I Spartanized my truck with 1000 miles on the clock and it was awesome. Blowing black smoke, lighting up the rear tires and smoking anything I pulled next to. However it got old real quick. Having my tranny slip and truck throw a green wrench wasnt too cool. Did my milage improve? Yeah by about 1.5 mpgs. These guys who claim 20+ with a dpf delete are plain lying. I would baby my truck on the highway and be lucky to see 18 hand calculated. (Last trip in the 6.7 did 18.8 on the dash) Nice gain on the highway but not worth the warranty risk. I personally got scared of the reliabilty of my truck. It was a daily driver and also used to pull a 5th wheel during spring and summer. Couldnt imagine what I would do if I were stranded somewhere and forced to pay the repair bill. If I was fortunate to have a second vehicle and could just have the truck for fun and the drag strip I would tune it in a second. For my average everyday use 600 hp is worthless. These new trucks have more power then any of us need and now the 6.7 can do 18+ on the highway and 16 around town. What is there to gain??
Just my opinion if you want to tune your truck go for it. I hate the EPA too and them sticking their noses every where. Just take a word of caution other then blowing a lot of black smoke its just not worth it.
On a side note Spartan Diesel was a joy to work with I never had any issues with them. Just decided I needed a warranty to feel safe.
STM

 

My truck stock has more power than some of the modified ones out there! I know there are some making 600+HP, but who needs that? I have plenty of power to pull my TT and it does it reliably. I like my warranty also!

 

Exactly. And all that black smoke is what has been giving diesels a bad rap with the general public for decades, and consequently leading to all sorts of ways to prevent it.

I'm not a tree hugger either, and hell will freeze over before I join the Sierra Klub, but you guys who just want to generate more noise and smoke should find something more productive to do instead.


Joe, who still thinks this thread started as an April Foole.

 

Gotta love facts and actual data.
Thanks for being honest.
JL

 

This thread should be labeled " Vaginas R' Us " lol. Never heard more ramblings from a bunch of old women sounding *******s lol. It's too loud, there's too much smoke, it's got too much power.... blah blah blah. Get a grip on your granny panties and call it even haha. To each his own, you don't want to modify your 6.7...then don't. Why are you even on a thread that is based on the subject of someone doing just that? I've done the urea delete on 5 Scorpions and every single one of them were happy they did it. Who ever has done a dpf delete and didn't see 20+ mpg should ask for there money back. I'm at 5000+ ft so maybe that has some effect but the MPG increase is decent, more so on the 6.4, but still gaining 3-5 mpg on the Scorpion. And the power is like crack lol, very addicting. I will agree that seeing someone pouring smoke repetitively is annoying (mostly young kids) I'm 26 now and still don't mind the occasional smoke. But the person who goes down the road pedalling or lugging it is annoying.

 

Nice first post...

 

I kinda got a grin outta it.rotflmbo.

Welcome to FTE.Streeet/Strip

 

And he's going apepoop over a thread that is like 18 months old.....

Granted, the thread did get a little over the top but most do after the original post subject has been taken care of.

 

ha, the most shocking part about this thread...Rickatic seemed genuinely happy with his ride.