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Old Mar 31, 2011 | 10:20 AM
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Nobody could really keep up with Ford's incremental improvements/changes, not only through the years, but even within the same year.

After 15-20 years dealing with this transmission, people have found that best-practice is to overhaul it, unless it was entirely crushed.

There is nauseating info (often-times conflicting) on the web about this transmission -- it still keeps many shops in business.

However, proper diagnosing and checks must be done first.
As that paper said in the link "to clear up the confusion on the e4OD". My issue is I don't have the funds right now to do a rebuild and it's my work van so I need it back on the road ASAP, the last rebuild I had done I drove 2 hours away because I don't trust just any shop when it comes to transmissions.

I'm contemplating rebuilding it myself, I do all my own work on all my cars this is just one task I don't know if I want to undertake.
 
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Old Mar 31, 2011 | 10:26 AM
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As that paper said in the link "to clear up the confusion on the e4OD". My issue is I don't have the funds right now to do a rebuild and it's my work van so I need it back on the road ASAP, the last rebuild I had done I drove 2 hours away because I don't trust just any shop when it comes to transmissions.

I'm contemplating rebuilding it myself, I do all my own work on all my cars this is just one task I don't know if I want to undertake.
I have read many articles and papers -- everybody thinks they own the truth. It's just the other guy's truth is different, .

I understand your problem -- yes, transm overhaul is the most expensive repair on these vans.

Some people have rebuilt them DIY. Check out the Bronco forums too.
 
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Old Mar 31, 2011 | 06:17 PM
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Upgrades are in the parts, updating springs, clutch packs, drums and torque converter, not the programing.
 
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Old Mar 31, 2011 | 08:47 PM
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Upgrades are in the parts, updating springs, clutch packs, drums and torque converter, not the programing.
The link I posted is a newsletter for transmission rebuilders, I highly doubt their info is incorrect. There are 2 different friction plates because of that they had to recalibrate the PCM in the 96.

Obviously there has to be a reason why Hollander states that 95/96 are not interchangeable.
 
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Old Mar 31, 2011 | 11:12 PM
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Obviously it deals with pressure and lockup adjustment, that's why recalibration is in order, but I'm talking about taking what he has, and beefing it up like any good transmission builder can do, not trying to put a different one in there.
 
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Old Apr 1, 2011 | 12:07 AM
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Obviously it deals with pressure and lockup adjustment, that's why recalibration is in order, but I'm talking about taking what he has, and beefing it up like any good transmission builder can do, not trying to put a different one in there.
Rebuilding isn't what my post is about.
 
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Old Apr 1, 2011 | 03:05 AM
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Yep, but what you're looking at is going through the aggravation of swapping something out that either won't work, will require expensive modifications to function, or will fail prematurely because it's no better than yours. I know this from past experiences, even with someone swearing it was rebuilt, it either fails or dies in a catastrophic way making it scrap.
 
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Old Apr 1, 2011 | 08:24 AM
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Yep, but what you're looking at is going through the aggravation of swapping something out that either won't work, will require expensive modifications to function, or will fail prematurely because it's no better than yours. I know this from past experiences, even with someone swearing it was rebuilt, it either fails or dies in a catastrophic way making it scrap.
Evidently you like to post just to post with no relevant or useful info, you don't get it. BYE
 
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Old Apr 1, 2011 | 01:22 PM
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Colour: it sounds like you are believing what you are reading. I warned you that there is plenty of literature on the E4OD, very often conflicting. Beware.

Most people here would rather rely on other fellow-owners, rather than what they read on Vendor's websites. I know I would.

Maples is trying to help you with a very costly exercise, while I am sure he could care less what you do to your van.
 
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Old Apr 1, 2011 | 04:10 PM
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Colour: it sounds like you are believing what you are reading. I warned you that there is plenty of literature on the E4OD, very often conflicting. Beware.

Most people here would rather rely on other fellow-owners, rather than what they read on Vendor's websites. I know I would.

Maples is trying to help you with a very costly exercise, while I am sure he could care less what you do to your van.
The only conflicting statements I've found are from fellow owners. Yes I normally rely on those, in this case there's no way I can because all the info I've received or read isn't from anyone who's actually done what my post is about. I kept being told other years would work, I'm not a ******* and I completely researched this before making a decision based on what others have said. I even had a transmission rebuilder tell me a 93 would work. The only professional information I found is what I posted in a link. Based on that and the fact Hollander says it won't work I stayed with the same year.

My post is not about rebuilding if the posts are read you would realize that's not an option for me at this time. I already know the risks of swapping between years and buying a used one.

People shouldn't post info unless you're damn sure it's correct or at least say you think and don't waste my time by posting with useless crap that I already know and nothing to do with my questions.

I'll take advice from anyone but Maples first post made no sense as did each reply.
 
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Throw money in the air on a windy day, you'll have the same effect as you will trying to do what your planning. I'm done with you!
 
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The only conflicting statements I've found are from fellow owners. Yes I normally rely on those, in this case there's no way I can because all the info I've received or read isn't from anyone who's actually done what my post is about.
First, I am sure that there are people who have tried or done swapping -- I don't believe it for a moment that you will be the first.

Shouldn't that be a red flag for you -- why other owners are advising against it? Trust it, you ain't the first, nor the last, no disrespect.

Did you get a chance to read on Bronco's Forum about DIY rebuilding it? If money is tight that's a sensible option, like you said. Probably the lowest cost.
 
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There is a transmission forum on this site and the guy that worked on designing the E4OD posts on that forum along with other that work in the transmission field every day.
If you have any deep questions about the E4OD I am sure they will get answered over there.

I do not see any problem putting a 96 E4OD in a 95 truck. You said the parts on the side were different and that is because one is out of a truck and one is out of a van and the tail shafts will be of different length.

The link to the transmission forum:
Clutch, Transmission, Differential, Axle & Transfer Case - Ford Truck Enthusiasts Forums

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Old Apr 1, 2011 | 08:20 PM
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First, I am sure that there are people who have tried or done swapping -- I don't believe it for a moment that you will be the first.

Shouldn't that be a red flag for you -- why other owners are advising against it? Trust it, you ain't the first, nor the last, no disrespect.

Did you get a chance to read on Bronco's Forum about DIY rebuilding it? If money is tight that's a sensible option, like you said. Probably the lowest cost.
I never said I was the first nor did I give the assumption that I was, but I can't find any info where someone has. I figured a forum would be the place to ask, on my other forums I would have received definite answers from people who have tried or successfully done something that isn't an oem swap. I'm not getting advice against, just the opposite. The advice I got was rebuild that's all.

My post asked will a 96 fit a 95. First answer was yes which it may be possible but not with a simple yes. Then a rebuild was mentioned, I wasn't born yesterday and I posted my reason why I had to buy a used tranny. These are very hard to find so I was trying to find out if others years will work.

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colour,
There is a transmission forum on this site and the guy that worked on designing the E4OD posts on that forum along with other that work in the transmission field every day.
If you have any deep questions about the E4OD I am sure they will get answered over there.

I do not see any problem putting a 96 E4OD in a 95 truck. You said the parts on the side were different and that is because one is out of a truck and one is out of a van and the tail shafts will be of different length.

The link to the transmission forum:
Clutch, Transmission, Differential, Axle & Transfer Case - Ford Truck Enthusiasts Forums

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I posted the same question in that forum, with the same yes from the same member. That was the only reply, which happens to be wrong, so much for the transmission forum.

The tail shaft from a 95 truck is the same length as a 95 van. The part I was referring to is the MLPS, one was a newer design, different plug. If in fact the link I posted is correct and a friction plate was redesigned hence a recalibration to the PCM then I would have to find a PCM from a 96 with the same motor, tranny and a van, not a simple task.

I am basing my decision on info I gathered with no help from this forum.

So to everyone.... there's no reason to keep posting, almost every post contains mis-information, irrelevant information and statements that are completely untrue. This thread can be closed.
 
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