Ethanol Gasoline
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Gasohol (Ethanol) has been around since the oil embargo of 1973, and the fuel crisis of 1979.
Our trucks can handle 10% from the factory, with new clean fuel systems.
It's the 15% that has me concerned.
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Well, I believe ethanol emissions are as toxic as any other cellulosic material that is burned. Wood, grass, Rice, your wife's burned and smoking homeade bread.
Just because you may be able to drink, eat, and metabolize it in it's pure form, without ill effects, does not mean you can burn it and breathing the fumes won't kill you with enough exposure.
Just because you may be able to drink, eat, and metabolize it in it's pure form, without ill effects, does not mean you can burn it and breathing the fumes won't kill you with enough exposure.
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Well, I believe ethanol emissions are as toxic as any other cellulosic material that is burned. Wood, grass, Rice, your wife's burned and smoking homeade bread.
Just because you may be able to drink, eat, and metabolize it in it's pure form, without ill effects, does not mean you can burn it and breathing the fumes won't kill you with enough exposure.
Just because you may be able to drink, eat, and metabolize it in it's pure form, without ill effects, does not mean you can burn it and breathing the fumes won't kill you with enough exposure.
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The Factory parts have been made to last with Gasohol (ethanol), but what about the china made aftermarket stuff? Makes you wonder if that's taken into concideration with all the problems being reported...
Gasohol (Ethanol) has been around since the oil embargo of 1973, and the fuel crisis of 1979.
Our trucks can handle 10% from the factory, with new clean fuel systems.
It's the 15% that has me concerned.
Gasohol (Ethanol) has been around since the oil embargo of 1973, and the fuel crisis of 1979.
Our trucks can handle 10% from the factory, with new clean fuel systems.
It's the 15% that has me concerned.
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Ethanol gasoline and the effects on O2 sensors
[ Moderator's Note - I had 81-F-150-Explorer add a comment he was composing when
this thread was originally closed yesterday, all else remains the same. -ct ]
Actually, both points are concidered valid. You get a "Double wammy" so to speak. Not only are the BTU's lower, but the O2 sensor can get a false lean reading.
Again not as prevelant a problem with E-10 although it's still present. It's the higher 15% ratio that concerns me.
Sources:
http://www.nrel.gov/docs/fy03osti/32206.pdf
http://www.ehow.com/facts_7794427_effect-ethanol-blends-oxygen-sensors.html
this thread was originally closed yesterday, all else remains the same. -ct ]
Originally Posted by Franklin2
It's not the oxygen sensors fault for lower fuel mileage with ethanol blended gas. The blended fuel has less BTU's per gallon, so naturally you will get less power and fuel mileage. Here's a link.
Fuel Economy Impact Analysis of RFG | Gasoline Fuels | US EPA
Fuel Economy Impact Analysis of RFG | Gasoline Fuels | US EPA
Again not as prevelant a problem with E-10 although it's still present. It's the higher 15% ratio that concerns me.
Sources:
http://www.nrel.gov/docs/fy03osti/32206.pdf
http://www.ehow.com/facts_7794427_effect-ethanol-blends-oxygen-sensors.html
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Move on, move on, nothing to see here
If you want a link or source, which one of several million do you
want? There has been considerable research done on the subject and some of us have read up on it instead of jumping on people and demanding THEY TELL US.
" I read it on the internet, so it must be true." That makes as much sense as "the government demands we do it, so it must be good for us." There are credible and authoritive sources everywhere for those not too lazy to seek them out.
Local tv here where I live did a special piece on it with several "certified mechanics" talking about the damage and problems they are seeing from ethanol usage.
Some people do take the time to check into things. I did this after my gas mileage and performance went to he77 in an ethanol handbasket.
Get off your lazy bottom side and check it out for yourself. The information is there. I don't give a Rat's Azz" if you believe me or not. I've been there and done it. Evidently, your ignorance is exceeded only by your laziness.
want? There has been considerable research done on the subject and some of us have read up on it instead of jumping on people and demanding THEY TELL US.
" I read it on the internet, so it must be true." That makes as much sense as "the government demands we do it, so it must be good for us." There are credible and authoritive sources everywhere for those not too lazy to seek them out.
Local tv here where I live did a special piece on it with several "certified mechanics" talking about the damage and problems they are seeing from ethanol usage.
Some people do take the time to check into things. I did this after my gas mileage and performance went to he77 in an ethanol handbasket.
Get off your lazy bottom side and check it out for yourself. The information is there. I don't give a Rat's Azz" if you believe me or not. I've been there and done it. Evidently, your ignorance is exceeded only by your laziness.
most.
It is NEVER the reader's responsibility to look up and verify information presented as fact
to him, this is like handing in a research paper to your college prof and asking him to go
look up and verify the claims made in it.
At a minimum, you will get an F on the paper.
As I mentioned in the beginning, these types of threads tend to eventually degrade into
unsubstantiated (mis)information & hype followed by name-calling & insults, I hope the
OP has gotten enough useful information to help him with his questions.
As I also mentioned at the beginning, I and the rest of the metro Denver area have been
burning the stuff since the early 1980s and the sky didn't fall, nobody's engines suddenly
melted as a result so let's not be accusing me of being ignorant and needing to go do
some academic research, OK?
FTE is a G-rated, family-friendly forum, thanks go to all who posted useful and
non-sensationalized posts.
We are now done here, please move on.
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