There is a much better and easier way to do this without pulling the whole dash. I replaced my heater core in about 2 hours and that was even having some company shooting some conversation. All I did was dropped the glove box, used my dremel tool to cut away the plastic right behind the box. I then used the same tool to cut away a portion ( ended up being 2 portions so that the heater core could be retrieved) of the plenum box. when completed, I used some good metal duct tape to put the plenum box back together. Works great and was very happy that I saved myself the money.

 

great idea, thanks for sharing

 

im not even going to say what im thinking, my wife bought that newer dodge and i hate it, sure it may be a crew cab 4 wheel drive big horn edition but its still a pile!!!(bad gass mileage,crappy warranty, rough riding, and TPMS BS) and was it worth 20k not even close!!! and another thing expedition is paid for!! and the parts are cheap!!! its got a stout modular engine that runs flawlessly and to have something like what i want is way better than settling for something i dont really like(the dodge ram newer 2004 to current f150) and paying alot for it... spend a couple g's and buildsomething i would love thats comforatable and i turns heads and could blow the doors of of alot stock cars around because when its all said and done im expecting around 500hp at the wheels with that STS sytem and still get over 18mpg. and when u do the majority of the work your self save 1000's. win win situation!!

 

You know that when people point and laugh, that is different than the traditional notion of "turning heads" right?

500hp and 18mpg, keep dreaming pal.

 

Are you a founding member of the Bought not Built club?

I hate buying new cars becouse of the monthly cost, and they don't build them the way I want. So I get a older vehicle, and I have funds left over to make of for the factory decrepinces.

Turbos are a great way to enhance performance, and get better mpgs doing it. The VW GTI if driven right is capable of about 35mpgs, and close to 175 fwhp. While more aerodynamic the a expy it the GTI does weigh a hair over 3100 pounds. So I would expect a expy with a proper turbo set-up to get better mileage then a non-turbo set-up. Given the same driver, wheel tire set-up, and habits.

 

Using a half tank per week (15 gallons) that is 780 gallons in a year. A turbo is good for about a 10% increase in MPG. That saves 78 gallons a year. At the current rate of $3.35 for regular gas, the fuel savings is roughly $260 a year. A semi decent turbo goes for about $1,500 and figure another $500 to have a shop install it. Total cost is $2,000 with a yearly saving of $260 equates to just over 7-1/2 years to recoup the cost of the turbo. Now assuming that's the only improvement, IMO 7-1/2 years is too long to take a chance for full monetary recovery.

 

yeah and it totally won't give any power increase
you think people get turbos to save gas? i thought it was for performance

 

You don't know anything about me.

Another Joe six pack who is soooo smart he can improve on what the engineers spend millions to design. LOL

I have no idea how you connected the dots between a GTI and an Expedition. You have a vivid imagination.

 

You should really pay better attention before turning on the sarcasm. Check my post above and it should be more than clear to most anyone that I responded to the post by Ziegelsteinfaust regarding the MPG gains of a turbocharged Expedition.

 

I read your posts. You said he is wasting his money. What other opinion would i get coming out of your posts?

Then you say I can not upgrade my vehicle becouse I don't work for a auto maker?

While engineers can technically do better then me if they were to perfect a vehicle to taste. They have to 1. make it cheap enough to fit the price point they were told to have, 2. Make it reliable enough to stay out of the dealer un-nessacarily. So if I buy a used vehicle cvehicle.heap enough or in the case of me, just buy a really old one for 1000. I will have plenty of money to remove the comprimises I feel they left in my truck.

If you look at the Golf/GTI car. The GTI routinely does better then the Golf on MPGS. GTI is turbo and the Golf is not. Provided it is driven right. Push down with to much exuberance, and that will go south fast.

While not old by any means. I remember having to scour pyp's to upgrade cars with non-stock to my car parts to do better. In my personal golden age of "wasting" money there were very few brake upgrades that were not re-manufactured stock upgrades. It used to take alot of ingenuity to hot-rod stuff like Smokey Yunick, Carrol Shelby, Holmann Moody, and Jack Gulstrand. Now it is all on the internet, and you just need to do enough searches to get a complete set of instructions.

I made a late 70's Caddilac Sevile brakes fit a 66 Mustang with a 5.0 steering rack to connect up the goods. No plans, No internet, just a tape measure, and the will to go faster. Built not Bought.

 

I am thinking?

 

You shouldn't take it any further than my statement. If you form an opinion of my opinion, is it mine anymore?

Pretty much. "Upgrade" is used very loosely IMO

So you think by spending money on mods that compromise the reliability the engineers built in that you have made an improvement?

Or it could be that a new Golf comes with a 2.5L naturally aspirated 5 cyl and the GTI uses a 2.0L turbo four. You are really reaching with this argument.


So you admit you used junk to fix up junk and that somehow is improving on a vehicle? Interesting concept.

 

I understand what you are saying but I would like to give some information, big greenie is nothing, you are doing nothing but wasting your time for he THINKS that he knows everything and I now look at all his posts with humor and in most cases, when I see his name for either a thread starter or just someone that responded t one, I just pass it. Rarely can this ******* ( need to keep clean words here so no cry baby complains to a mod) talk to anyone with respect, as soon as you call him out, he try to make everyone of his statements seem like it is law or something.

 

Let me get you a tissue....Are you still licking your wounds because I was right, and you were wrong? So pathetic, and so transparent.

 

Just drop it !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!