I'm sorry if I came across as being judgemental - it wasn't my intent. I will say though that most Techs that I know get VERY irritated at customers hiding things from them. One reason is that if they spend more that the alloted book time to diagnose/find a problem, they do not get paid for it. It truly takes money out of their pockets. Another reason is just simple relationships. We want an honest Tech, but we will hide things from him.

Basically though - in most cases, I believe that the Tech will know if there has been a tuner. The "coincidental" battery disconnection is the first clue.

 

BISMIC: Can they prove it though? I dont have to worry about it since like I said earlier, my mechanic loves my tuner. I have always been honest with him. I told him when I had the super chip flash paq in it, in fact, I sold it to him when I got my SCT. Now you might say that he isnt a very smart mechanic to have bought my super chip, but he does work at the dealership and they can work on their trucks in their off time for free. They have access to all kinds of tools as you probably know, not to mention a heated shop with lifts, must be nice, and another thing, parts at cost, cant beat that either.

 

If a person is heading down the path of proving anything, he has already lost. That would mean he is already fighting w/ the shop (and Ford) and that they don't trust him. Would anyone want a shop that clearly doesn't trust him (and probably dislikes him intensely) repairing his engine? What keeps them comitted to doing the best job for the owner that they can. I know that ths is not the path you are advocating lawnboy1965, but it really ruffles my feathers to hear people going down this path when they knowingly took the chances with the tuner. Most people then bring up the Magnusson-Moss act, saying "Prove to me that when I ignored the cautions in the manual that I had to actually listen to them and follow them".

I am not against tuners, but when does the owner take responsibility?

It is all about integrity.

 

What a lot of people don't realize either is that if you signed an arbitration agreement to have your disputes settled there first before court, the dealership doesn't have to prove that your mod in fact caused the problem. They only have to show that more likely then not that it caused the problem. 2 totally different standards.

 

If it ruffled your feather then I appoligize for that. I just wanted an answer and figured you were the one to go to. You could have pm'ed me the answer if that would have made you feel better. Like I said, I have never hid anything from my mechanic, in fact he has put on all my mods. I am not broke down, I am not fighting with the dealership or ford, I wouldnt trade my truck for anything, its bought and paid for and no longer the banks. If I broke down on the road, I dont care if it was 3000 miles away, no one will work on my truck but him and I will rent a vehicle to tow it to him, thats just how I feel about that. A simple yes or no is all I was looking for.

 

I tend to use the "third-party you". By that I mean the general population, not personally addressing you (lawnboy1965). I know that your questions are general ones and that it is not a personal situation. I should say "If a person were .....", instead of using "you". No need for an apology and sorry for my poor choice of words (I changed it now).

I am not offended by your questions, I have just seen too many posts from folks that tried to do things like purposely blow their head gaskets w/ a tuner and then go fight Ford to pay them so they could install studs.

 

I totally understand the purposely doing things. I know of a few of them. Me, personnally, I'm like you, they should pay for it out of their pocket. I value a lot of things you say and even pass the information on to my mechanic and usually he goes, hmmm, lets try it. Writes up a work ticket and away we go. lol. I really try to do all the preventative things to my truck, cause like I said, I am going to drive the wheels off if this one. My son thinks he is getting it for graduation, FAT CHANCE on that one, unless I hit the lotery. All I have left to do is get my gauges installed, but finding the right pod is proving to be a PITA. I want it over the mirror and of course it doesnt work on mine because I have the auto dimming mirror. Any thoughts? I have 4 gauges to install. I dont like the pillar mount cause it has a big enough blind spot without the extra help.

 

ok i have a new question i picked up my truck today and ford replaced my egr valve according to them thats what was wrong with my truck anyway i bought an sct sf3 programmer and i hooked it up and programmed my truck on the street setting and it started smoking again only this time the truck was at operating tempurature i was sitting at a red light and it just started pouring with smoke and it smelled like antifreeze again anyway i pulled over and reteuned my truck to stock and the smoke quit so what could be causing that i can turn my egr valve off with the sct should i try that or no because i dont want it ti smoke like that and it was white smoke u know when ur puttin tranny fluid in a car and u get smoe on the exhaust manifolds thats the type of cloud i had behind me

 

any knowledge would sure be a great help

 

So they changed the EGR valve and not the cooler. The valve has absolutely nothing to do with you loosing coolant, now the cooler on the other hand does. Sounds to me like you need to find a better shop to work on your truck because it sounds like they dont know what they are doing and are just throwing parts at it and hoping it works, starting the the cheapest and easiest.

 

It would also be good to check the oil cooler as well as more likely then not the oil cooler is the culprit and the EGR system is just an easily identified symptom of the issue. One of the reasons why people think the EGR system is a crappy system and needs to be deleted, because it is an easily identified symptom of a bigger problem.

 

One thing I think you should do is stop using the tuner until this gets sorted out. Is there any puking? Check your ECT and EOT. What is the difference between the two? Are you definitely losing coolant? Is there oil/sludge in the degas bottle?

 

well i have had it in the shop for two weeks now and since the egr valve issue i havent ran the programmer here is a list of thing s that have been dun so far and still white diesel smoke i have two fully certified diesel mechanics trying to sort out the problem ok egr cooler has been blocked oil cooler replaced ficm replaced 1 injector replaced and btww both of these diesel mechanics worked at ford for 30 yrs and have all the ford computers and diagnostic tools to troubleshoot the SICK,LITER that what they call the 6.0 anyway and it still is blowin diesel smoke it doesnt smoke when i am goin down the road but as soon as it comes to idle it blows white smoke and yesterday they said they was drivin it doin datalogging and the truck just died on them it cranked rite back up but they are thinking its a ECM problem now but wont know for sure until they run more test on it and my truck has always been serviced like these engines are suppose to and it only has 65000 miles on it and i havent towed anything with this truck yet and thats the reason i bought it because i to engineering work for phone companies all over the country so i have a travel trailer so i need this truck but i am gettin fed up with it

 

"the SICK,LITER that what they call the 6.0" If my mechanic said this I would leave immediately and take my truck with me ..I would have no confidence in this so called technician..Sorry but I would take this statement very personal...

 

Yea, I would too. It makes it seem like they aren't doing what they can to properly help you out with your issue. Not all mechanics can despite so called certification and or yrs experience. Especially considering that the 6.0s were the start of a diesel generation that wasn't along the same lines of even the 7.3 the engine right before it.