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Phil,
Any chance the new 5.0L might be adapted to an EcoBoost application in an upcoming Super Duty, perhaps as a high torque and horsepower alternative to increasingly expensive and complicated diesel engines and exhaust treatment systems? Just curious if it would even be a worthwhile project or if costs of both the theoretical engine would be too high. Would such an engine still achieve decent fuel economy, or is a diesel a better option even at a significantly higher unit cost for the engine?
Any chance the new 5.0L might be adapted to an EcoBoost application in an upcoming Super Duty, perhaps as a high torque and horsepower alternative to increasingly expensive and complicated diesel engines and exhaust treatment systems? Just curious if it would even be a worthwhile project or if costs of both the theoretical engine would be too high. Would such an engine still achieve decent fuel economy, or is a diesel a better option even at a significantly higher unit cost for the engine?
But it does with a blower
(think next GT500...)
I would anticipate any future power-trains to work across multiple platforms.
http://www.fpv.com.au/fpv-range/gt-p/overview.aspx
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I would like to know the answer to this as well. ALL previous direct injection gas engines I have seen have carbon build up problems that can occur fairly early in the life of the engine. I've seen some horror stories (w/pictures) of VW/Audi DI engines, as well as Mazda DI engines.
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FIrst thank you Phil for taking the time to talk to us. I am really excited that Ford seems to be getting into turbos in a big way. I just cant wait to see the Ecoboost V6 in an Expedition soon. Anything you want to announce about that? Just kidding. Can you talk about intercooling for the Ecoboost? Is there an intercooler?
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I would like to know the answer to this as well. ALL previous direct injection gas engines I have seen have carbon build up problems that can occur fairly early in the life of the engine. I've seen some horror stories (w/pictures) of VW/Audi DI engines, as well as Mazda DI engines.
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My question does not pertain directly to the Ecoboost, however I do have a question about what the Ecoboost means for future engines for the F-150.
I understand that with stricter C.A.F.E regulations coming in 2016 Ford has to make the F-150's more fuel efficent by any means required, be it by weight reduction and/or engine type. I know the Ecoboost is a great running engine as I have personally had the chance to drive one and I walked away very impressed with it. However despite this, I still perfer the 5.0L V8 (which I have also driven) to the Ecoboost as it just feels more like the right engine for me. I will be ordering a 5.0L FX4 this comming summer.
I know you can probably only speculate at this point,
But my question is, In the future, say 2016 and beyond will the F-150's V8 engine's live on? Or will they be phased out over time by smaller turbocharged V6's and I4's? To my understanding the F-150 is due for a re-design around 2014 or 2015 which could possibly intel substantal weight reductions in favor of fuel econmy, and I would love to see both 5.0L and 6.2L live on even after the strict emmison laws take effect. From what I can see, both 5.0L and 6.2L could benefit from direct upgrades such as Direct Injection and/or Turbocharging. From what I can see The 5.0L is already close to what the Ecoboost gets in terms of fuel econmy in both EPA rated and Real World (Judging based off the Fuel Econ display in both trucks). So it seems completely do-able from my perspective, however I would like to get your thoughts on it too.
Thanks for helping devolpe the greatest truck on the road!
Thanks for your time
Nathan.
I understand that with stricter C.A.F.E regulations coming in 2016 Ford has to make the F-150's more fuel efficent by any means required, be it by weight reduction and/or engine type. I know the Ecoboost is a great running engine as I have personally had the chance to drive one and I walked away very impressed with it. However despite this, I still perfer the 5.0L V8 (which I have also driven) to the Ecoboost as it just feels more like the right engine for me. I will be ordering a 5.0L FX4 this comming summer.
I know you can probably only speculate at this point,
But my question is, In the future, say 2016 and beyond will the F-150's V8 engine's live on? Or will they be phased out over time by smaller turbocharged V6's and I4's? To my understanding the F-150 is due for a re-design around 2014 or 2015 which could possibly intel substantal weight reductions in favor of fuel econmy, and I would love to see both 5.0L and 6.2L live on even after the strict emmison laws take effect. From what I can see, both 5.0L and 6.2L could benefit from direct upgrades such as Direct Injection and/or Turbocharging. From what I can see The 5.0L is already close to what the Ecoboost gets in terms of fuel econmy in both EPA rated and Real World (Judging based off the Fuel Econ display in both trucks). So it seems completely do-able from my perspective, however I would like to get your thoughts on it too.
Thanks for helping devolpe the greatest truck on the road!
Thanks for your time
Nathan.
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Packaging wise the 5.0 doesn't fit under the Mustang's hood with 2 turbo's.
But it does with a blower
(think next GT500...)
I would anticipate any future power-trains to work across multiple platforms.
http://www.fpv.com.au/fpv-range/gt-p/overview.aspx
But it does with a blower
(think next GT500...)
I would anticipate any future power-trains to work across multiple platforms.
http://www.fpv.com.au/fpv-range/gt-p/overview.aspx
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Phil,
Welcome and thank you so much for your answers to this point. I'm truly not concerned about the EB's long term performance as I strongly believe that it will lead Ford well into the next generation of trucks and SUV's.
My question is more transmission related. Based on what I've read and heard, I'm assuming that all F-150's will use the same transmission.
If not, could you please explain?
If so, will this transmission go the distance with the 3.5L EB engine?
It looked as though during the 150K mile laboratory testing, there was no transmission attached to the engine. After the lab tests the engine was mounted into an F-150 and then into a Baja truck. Were different transmissions used for these two trucks?
The transmission is really my only concern. Very shortly I will be getting a 2011 F-150, not sure if I'm getting the 5.0L or the EB.
Thank you sir for your time,
Welcome and thank you so much for your answers to this point. I'm truly not concerned about the EB's long term performance as I strongly believe that it will lead Ford well into the next generation of trucks and SUV's.
My question is more transmission related. Based on what I've read and heard, I'm assuming that all F-150's will use the same transmission.
If not, could you please explain?
If so, will this transmission go the distance with the 3.5L EB engine?
It looked as though during the 150K mile laboratory testing, there was no transmission attached to the engine. After the lab tests the engine was mounted into an F-150 and then into a Baja truck. Were different transmissions used for these two trucks?
The transmission is really my only concern. Very shortly I will be getting a 2011 F-150, not sure if I'm getting the 5.0L or the EB.
Thank you sir for your time,
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I semi-understand the physics of DI turbocharging... if you have a smaller amount of mass to turn (3.5l vs 5.0l) it takes less energy to do it, and it is more efficient.. but I am skeptical of the Eco part of the name. I owned a Mazda CX7 for a few years which had the 2.3l 4 cylinder direct injected turbocharged engine.
While that engine wasn't marketed as Eco anything, it got pretty poor gas mileage. The main "problem" the CX7 had... and in my opinion all the newer turbocharged engines have, is that boost comes too soon. From my experience, if you are in boost, you are getting poor gas mileage.
The ecoboost engine makes boost at such a low RPM, how are you going to stay out of boost, and thus get good gas mileage? The CX7 was in boost all the time, whether you were putting along or driving down the freeway, you were in boost - and its mpg suffered greatly.
For comparison sake, I traded in our Mazda CX7 AWD, it weighed 3800lbs and had a 2.3l 4 cylinder DI turbo engine for a 2009 F150 Crew Cab 4x4 with the 5.4l engine. The two vehicles get almost the exact same mpg.
What is Ford's experience with actual mpg figures for the ecoboost engine and how did Ford solve the problem that I seem to have experienced above?
While that engine wasn't marketed as Eco anything, it got pretty poor gas mileage. The main "problem" the CX7 had... and in my opinion all the newer turbocharged engines have, is that boost comes too soon. From my experience, if you are in boost, you are getting poor gas mileage.
The ecoboost engine makes boost at such a low RPM, how are you going to stay out of boost, and thus get good gas mileage? The CX7 was in boost all the time, whether you were putting along or driving down the freeway, you were in boost - and its mpg suffered greatly.
For comparison sake, I traded in our Mazda CX7 AWD, it weighed 3800lbs and had a 2.3l 4 cylinder DI turbo engine for a 2009 F150 Crew Cab 4x4 with the 5.4l engine. The two vehicles get almost the exact same mpg.
What is Ford's experience with actual mpg figures for the ecoboost engine and how did Ford solve the problem that I seem to have experienced above?
