Again, where did you get that information? You want to pick on me and claim that I am putting out unsubstantiated claims, where are you getting your information. WickedFlow is owned and distributed by a company called Advanced West Incorporated, located in San Bernadino. They are not a muffler shop, they are a warehouse. They do not make them in at that facility.

Ok, lets put two and two together. Magnaflow breaks in stress test. Magnaflow cracks around the neck in real life. The test was devised to illustrate the difference in the material quality. You equated the test to cutting the sidewall of the tire. Come on, if you cut the sidewall, you kill the tire, the test is more equivalent to subjecting the tire to maximum load until one of them blows, and then running the other to see how much farther it can go. They make the whole muffler out of that cheap crap, which is prefabricated by the low bidder in China BTW.

Lets face it, you don't really care which one is better, you just have to be right. And better was not even the original point of my argument. The OP asked for a muffler that would produce little drone, I gave him my recommendation. I have used Magnaflows on my own vehicles before, and on my families vehicles, often on almost worst case scenario vehicles, guess what, it almost doesn't matter which one you choose.

When I put them on my mom's van, I wanted something that would be as quiet as possible, but I wanted the straight through performance and the stainless steel body. It wasn't a week before I brought it back to the shop and complained at how loud it was inside the vehicle. Their suggestion was to put a second muffler on in front of the first. So we did that, guess what, it didn't make a lot of difference.

In contrast, when we just got her a replacement van, I went with the WickedFlow because we had already tried them on both my van (RIP) and my brothers, and found them to be drone free. Just a single 18" WickedFlow is all it takes, compared to the 22" and 14" Magnaflow muffler combination on my mom's.

Before we took my mom's in, we measured the interior sound level with the stock muffler which measured to be 78 dB at the driver seat while going 65 mph cruising. After installing a larger 2.25" catback with the WickedFlow 18" muffler, we remeasured the interior sound level at 65 mph cruising, and found the sound level to be the same, 78 dB. The sound measurements were taken with an iPhone using the Decibel app. I measured my mom's old van shortly before we retired it. At 65 mph cruising, it measures at 84 db. And thats with 36" total inches of Magnaflow to tone it down.

Having a good loud sound is nice at times, truth is that most people do buy mufflers for sound, not for performance or gas mileage. But the thing to remember is that you cannot make the muffler quieter that it is designed to be on demand. Yes there are things you can do to prevent drone beyond just the muffler. But the most common complaint I hear from people about performance mufflers is that they are too loud at cruising speed. You can always make them louder on demand, all you have to do is hit the accelerator. But if it drones, there is not much you can do about it.

Having been down that road, I know which I prefer.

So what would it take to satisfy you that these mufflers are all that I say they are? Come on, its easy to be a critic if you don't have to back anything up. So if you want a "legitimate" comparison, come on, devise a test that they can be subjected to.

Since my claim was about the Magnaflow droning, and the WickedFlow not, why not come up with a test that shows the two, in a side by side comparison and show which one suppresses more sound.

 

I will say something here, might have tossed this out there on another post as well...

'96 Ram, 318, A518 trans, 35" TSL Thornbirds, true dual 2.25" exhaust, co cats, no X or H pipe, exited on each side of the hitch.

First mufflers - 18" Thrush Magnum glasspacks, real sharp rap, some annoying drone in the cab, not bad though. Removed for noise violation/inspection notice.

Second set - Aluminized 14" Dynomax Ultra flow welded mufflers, no drone at any speed but slightly audible sound from the tail pipes(Just as loud or worse then the glasspacks). The case on one broke (Muffler split in half)

Third set - Magnaflow stainless 14" case, quieter and smoother then the ultraflows but still no drone at all.

Next car... '91 Camaro RS 305 5spd, 3" exhaust, no cat.

18" Thrush Magnum, into stock RS Dual out setup, droned but tolerable, very deep inside sounded nice and smooth, still on a long trip, you would wanna shoot yourself.

Muffler 2 - 18" Magnaflow 3" offset/center with single 3" outlet, Nice subtle rumble in the car, very easy on the ears, very smooth and subdued outside.

Car 3...

1995 Ram 15 pass van... 5.9L ture dual 3" exhaust exiting in front of the wheels.

Muffler 1 - Magnaflow XL Turbo mufflers Stainless steel, loud as hell, might as well have been straight piped. Again, after driving it for 10 min, you would wanna blow your brains out, on a truck these may have been great as I think it was mostly the fact that its a van with side exits that caused the noise NOT the mufflers.

Muffler 2 - Hush Thrush Super Turbos (they were actually a 2.5" internal tube muffler)

Very deep tone, pleasing on the highway but nice at cruise speeds. Put the go pedal down and the have a very deep bark.

This is also the van that the 3" Maganaflow came from for the Camaro, it was back when the van had a single 3" system.

Now, where do the wicked flows fit in sound wise? I have given 3 drastically different types if vehicles, all with very different characteristics. I can keep going as I have used anything from Flowmaster(I really can't stand those P.O.S mufflers) to most from Dynomax, Cherry Bomb and Magnaflow on the 20 vehicles in my yard, then there are other people's cars and trucks...

 

I'm not being an *** here, I just want to know where these fit in...

 

glasspack or straightpipped

 

Been using Magnaflow cats going on 3 years Zero Problems i love them !!!!

Yea what happend to the "Bear River Converters " LMAO

 

I have Magnaflow and it doesn't drone at all. Now the Blowmaster/Dronemaster I had before did. I have 1 cat and single 3 inch exhaust. Its a nice deep mellow rumble. When the windows are up, I can just barely hear it inside the cab.

I'm not trying to be an ***, but I think that Magnaflow and Wicked Flow are nearly the same thing. They are a similar design. I have only heard a couple people complain about drone with Magnaflow and that was usually with Corvettes.

 

1. I drove to your shop!
2. I have forwarded all of your claims to Magnaflow with all the links and personally spoke with them as well
3. I am still prepared to meet with you, at Magnaflow & Allied Mfg manufacturing facilities to validate, test your claims.

 

I do not exist for your amusement. If I am going to participate in any such test, I will do so in an unbiased test facility, on neutral ground, not in a Magnaflow facility.

Second, how did you drive to my shop? You drove all the way to Orem, Utah. Or you drove to West Coast Exhaust?

 

Let me clarify...
1. Myself, a rep from Magnaflow & from Allied, meet at a mfg location which has the capability to conduct flow testing & engineered load testing (torsional, tensional and compressional aspects) based upon US industry design standards. I suggested Magnaflow since they are located in oceanside (fairly close & central) and have these capabilities in segragted areas- but I'm sure that each of the mfg's can meet at an agreed location. Since Magnaflows equipment is CAD-based, if they were to create an unbiased measurement, with printed readouts for each unit tested, each of the results would have equal bias as well- given the time to do such prep, with witnesses from 3 mfg's, it is doubtfull that anyone would even want to try this.

2. From my office, it's only about 50 minutes to you facility (depending on the crosstown freeway traffic).

3. With regards to amusement- I consider your statements regarding other manufacturers products to be at best unethical, at worst, slanderous/defamitory and very likely in direct violation of both FTC marketing regulations and this forums vendor "rules".

 

Just google Magnadrone....

 

I still hear more complaints about Flowmaster than anything else. This is with classic Mustangs, trucks, and newer cars.

Conanski, cut his open and made it in to a home made Magnaflow to get reduce his drone issues.

Some of those Magnaflow drone issues are with using Magnapacks.

Any performance muffler that increases sound level has the potential to increase interior noise.

The simple answer is keep it quiet by keeping the stock muffler if you don't want any interior noise.

I bet google searching Blowmaster Muffler, Dronemaster Muffler, Flowdrone Muffler get more results.

 

Im sure theres alot of compiants about flowmasters drone to , that comes with any high performance muffler , i use different mufflers on different set ups , i like the magnflow on anything with a turbo , & have used them on small cars where the space is limited , i think the flowmasters work best on a tuned duel exhaust system , i use the super 44s on my truck , no tail pipes , just dumped at the end of the cab , on the mustamgs i used the off road exhaust system with 3 chamber flows with full exhaust , the 44s on my truck are not as loud even with no tail pipes , no drone on any of them , but they all had agressive cams with H pipes duels , im not an exhaust expert but i think that may change the sound waves ? , i have my exhaust cutom made by a professional exhaust builder , its all made with 2 1/2 mandrel bent pipe with the least amount of bends as possable , i have used turbo mufflers before i used the flowmasters & had no drone with them eigher , so i guess its what works better for each application.....Lew

 

So even though I'm located in Utah, you insist its a 90 minute drive.

 

Since you are a wickedflow distributor/retailer, and there are very few of those as listed on their website, I made the assumption you were in Calif. Please advise wickedflow of the offer since you have stated you would be acting on their behalf.

 

My first ever exhaust, stock everything but a glasspack with 45's had no drone, then a Deltaflow flowmaster no drone also super quiet, then a Big ******* Dynomax turbo sounded awesome no drone,then got a small magnaflow no drone also to quiet, Finally i got shorty hedders with magnaflow y with cats and a cherry bomb extreme with side exit, Drones like a SOB, but sounds awesome at idle and driving.

Why so many mufflers, i got tired of the sound after a few years wanted somthing differnt, one reasion i only buy aluminum mufflers, Cheap, that magnaflow muffler i got was overpriced !