Ford 300 6
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From: Almost Heaven
Bill, just so you know, I wasn't comparing the two sixes. I have a 300 and I love it. I was just saying, like you did, "It's like when the 300 first came out all over again. "What, a 6 with pulling power? No way!" Yes way! That Ecoboost is a torque machine."
It's just too bad that Ford is adding almost $5000 to the price of the truck to get that engine.
It's just too bad that Ford is adding almost $5000 to the price of the truck to get that engine.
I was simply saying I'm tired of people comparing the non-average 300 to an average V6.
And please, nobody take what I'm saying out of context. I'm not saying there isn't a need for a baseline V6 in a pickup truck. Nor am I putting them down.
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From: Lost
Funny thing is, in order to match the low end torque of the carbed/EFI inline, they are using a boosted V6. I seriously doubt it will ever last 300-500K miles while working hard daily, like the 300 has been proven to be capable of.
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The base motor is a the 3.7L V6. I believe it has 302hp and 278 Ft/lbs of torque. That's more hp and torque then any of the stock 300's.
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From: Almost Heaven
I really wanted to use a 300 in my 54 but the 351W just sounded to good. The 300 would have required a smaller firewall recess and would have been easier to work on. But the free flowing dual exhaust on a 351W sounded way too good to pass up.
The base motor is a the 3.7L V6.
The base motor is a the 3.7L V6.
The V6 in the 'Stang and the 3.7L are not turbo'd. The Ecoboost V6 has twin turbo's. Only the trucks are getting the twin turbo 3.5L right now.
I'm not sure about the other engines being "Ecoboosted" either. Can someone please enlighten me and Ted?
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I just think it's kind of stupid they offer the 3.5L twin turbo ecoboost in the Flex but not the Mustang?
To me the Mustang should be offered with it too. But I suppose nobody would pay for the turbo'd V6 when they could just buy the 5.0L.
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From: Lost
In order to achieve the rated HP and Torque numbers, you have to rev the nuts off the V6, while the 300 I6 hit it's peak torque by 2000 RPM. The useable torque curve in a 300 was from ~800-3000 RPM, and the range of 90%+ of peak torque was around 1400-2600 RPM. This makes the 300 work in a fashion that is very much like most diesel engines used in heavy trucks and construction equipment. Low RPM, high torque engines that will last many years of daily hard work, with typical preventative maintainence. I hardly think the current V6's (or V8's, for that matter) will ever reach the same level as the "Legendary" 300.....
Besides, Ford doesn't want the current engines to be able to work hard and last for a long time. They can't sell new vehicles to people who are satisfied with how their current vehicle works.
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The new trucks look great. But the new v6 has good number since you can rev the living crap out of them. I believe the torque ratings are @4000 rpm. You wouldn't even rev a 300 that high, or a 351, or 460 unless your really needed too. The dohc really help with reving and high rev breathing. They still don't compare to old truck engines in low end torque. Its kind of sad, in 30 years they can't make something comparable. Like the 300 with its low end torque, and the 351w making just over 300 at 2000rpms. What happened to these days. People just want to go fast these days it seems. Sometimes you just need to slow down and enjoy all the things around you.
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Believe me I was a gigantic supporter of my v6 when I first bought it. I was thinking alright i will get betwee 17-20 mpgs and it will be awesome. But I soon learned that i not only gave up 4x4, extra room, and towing/fun power for 13 mpgs. Granted I got a screaming deal on the truck and its been nothing but fantastic for me, but I wish now if I had the choice and know what I know now I would have bought a v8 with all those features. I have now rectified the situation with a 460 FORD SC, that I bought from the original owner and am told form him he got between 10-12 mpg in his truck. That makes me pretty hopeful, because I would give up 3 mpg to gain all those extra features. OP, YMMV but I strongly suggest you do it right the first time and get a v8. FWIW, I have heard the new v8 and v6 mustangs get similar mpgs because they are pushing the same weight, just the v8s are a hell of a lot more fun. 
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hey guys. just thought id update all of u. i just replaced my spark plugs about a week ago and what a difference. (other than it only running on like 3 cylinders when its cold but that goes away after it runs for like 30 seconds) iv run from school and back home all week and my gas needle hasnt moved at all.
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Hey fellas, the comparisons I read between the 4.9 I6 and a diesel were intriguing. My 4.9 pulls great and it does remind me of a diesel. I drove OTR big rigs for a number of years and it looks just like the engines in those trucks (albeit scaled down a little and having the obvious diesel vs. gas differences).
The 4.9 I6 suits my needs perfectly. Mine doesn't have a lick of modification except the slight bore it got in the rebuild (just enough to smooth out the cylinder walls). It gets great mileage and it runs better every time I work on it. I don't need off the line power or max speed (although the Mav drag car was really cool). I just want something dependable and bulletproof that can haul a load or pull a small travel trailer every once in a while. The one in my ride was recently rebuilt, and I fully expect it to run like a top for the next 30 years. Now if I could just get that small travel trailer I want...
The 4.9 I6 suits my needs perfectly. Mine doesn't have a lick of modification except the slight bore it got in the rebuild (just enough to smooth out the cylinder walls). It gets great mileage and it runs better every time I work on it. I don't need off the line power or max speed (although the Mav drag car was really cool). I just want something dependable and bulletproof that can haul a load or pull a small travel trailer every once in a while. The one in my ride was recently rebuilt, and I fully expect it to run like a top for the next 30 years. Now if I could just get that small travel trailer I want...
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From: Almost Heaven
Hey fellas, the comparisons I read between the 4.9 I6 and a diesel were intriguing. My 4.9 pulls great and it does remind me of a diesel. I drove OTR big rigs for a number of years and it looks just like the engines in those trucks (albeit scaled down a little and having the obvious diesel vs. gas differences).
The 4.9 I6 suits my needs perfectly. Mine doesn't have a lick of modification except the slight bore it got in the rebuild (just enough to smooth out the cylinder walls). It gets great mileage and it runs better every time I work on it. I don't need off the line power or max speed (although the Mav drag car was really cool). I just want something dependable and bulletproof that can haul a load or pull a small travel trailer every once in a while. The one in my ride was recently rebuilt, and I fully expect it to run like a top for the next 30 years. Now if I could just get that small travel trailer I want...
The 4.9 I6 suits my needs perfectly. Mine doesn't have a lick of modification except the slight bore it got in the rebuild (just enough to smooth out the cylinder walls). It gets great mileage and it runs better every time I work on it. I don't need off the line power or max speed (although the Mav drag car was really cool). I just want something dependable and bulletproof that can haul a load or pull a small travel trailer every once in a while. The one in my ride was recently rebuilt, and I fully expect it to run like a top for the next 30 years. Now if I could just get that small travel trailer I want...
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