Is GM getting nervous?
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I was trolling around the Chevy diesel site and the tides have turned. Chevy seems to be having lots of problems with there new set up. Smoke coming from engine compartment and numerous other issues. I was there with my 2005 6.0 so I can sympathize but I am so glad I stuck with ford and did not go to Chevy.
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GM has nothing to be worried about their Duramax/Allison combo. It's better than anything Ford could dream of since it's inception.
Now putting all their eggs in the Chevy Volt electric car basket might make them nervous. Then again, Now that Imam Obama has manipulated their taxes and IPO to make them seem profitable, I guess they really don't have much to worry about do they?
Now putting all their eggs in the Chevy Volt electric car basket might make them nervous. Then again, Now that Imam Obama has manipulated their taxes and IPO to make them seem profitable, I guess they really don't have much to worry about do they?
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I see no problem with GM or Dodge building a good truck. And I think they do. The better they are, The more Ford has to improve the trucks I prefer to drive. And the more they compete, the more Ford has to stay competitive.
Trucks stayed the same as far as creature comforts for years. When the Japanese trucks started to invade the 1/2 ton market. All of sudden the Big 3 got much more inovative in adding extras.
Trucks stayed the same as far as creature comforts for years. When the Japanese trucks started to invade the 1/2 ton market. All of sudden the Big 3 got much more inovative in adding extras.
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Has to drink oil at the end of every day I loved it.
Isn't the Scorpion the 4th Power Stroke in 10 years? Thats not really a fair comparsion.
Like it or not, the Duramx is a good combo, as is the CUmmins. But also in fairness, the Cummins is not a "light duty" diesel only. It came from the industrial world and used in everything from boats to garbage trucks to generators etc.
The Duramax BTW also was built around an industrial engine.
Like it or not, the Duramx is a good combo, as is the CUmmins. But also in fairness, the Cummins is not a "light duty" diesel only. It came from the industrial world and used in everything from boats to garbage trucks to generators etc.
The Duramax BTW also was built around an industrial engine.
Very true, but remember that we are driving pickup trucks, not garbage trucks or generators.
I honestly think this is the biggest reason the 6.7L has been such a huge success for Ford. Remember that IH designed previous powerstrokes to go in all of their trucks as well as a Ford pickup truck. This made them very difficult to service in a pickup truck chassis, as well as have lots of emissions related problems due to the engines not being designed to operate under light loading 90% of the time. These were bona fide medium duty engines adapted for light duty use, and that was proven to not be the best idea.
The 6.7L was designed from the ground up to go under the hood of a Ford pickup truck. This allowed them to design it to be serviceable in such a chassis as well as have better driveability due to not having to make compromises to satisfy the needs of medium duty trucks. This engine is designed to power a 7-9,000 lb truck that can see GCWRs of 33,000 lbs. NOT a 25,000 lb truck that can see GCWRs of 50-60,000 lbs as some T444e trucks were specced for.
This is, IMHO, an advantage for the FORD SCORPION engine.
I honestly think this is the biggest reason the 6.7L has been such a huge success for Ford. Remember that IH designed previous powerstrokes to go in all of their trucks as well as a Ford pickup truck. This made them very difficult to service in a pickup truck chassis, as well as have lots of emissions related problems due to the engines not being designed to operate under light loading 90% of the time. These were bona fide medium duty engines adapted for light duty use, and that was proven to not be the best idea.
The 6.7L was designed from the ground up to go under the hood of a Ford pickup truck. This allowed them to design it to be serviceable in such a chassis as well as have better driveability due to not having to make compromises to satisfy the needs of medium duty trucks. This engine is designed to power a 7-9,000 lb truck that can see GCWRs of 33,000 lbs. NOT a 25,000 lb truck that can see GCWRs of 50-60,000 lbs as some T444e trucks were specced for.
This is, IMHO, an advantage for the FORD SCORPION engine.
Only thing I have seen is the Raptors with graphics like that.
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Personally I don't give a Rat's *** what GM thinks. I feel that my Ford is the best damn truck on this planet. Some may disagree extolling the virtues of their favorite brand of Diesel Pickups but I'm a believer. I have driven both other brands and they don't even come close to mine. I will just keep driving it and see what Ford has to offer in 2014 .
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I think GM wasted a lot of money on what will be one of their bigger marketing bombs. The commercials are just plain bad and insulting to their intended market. I have never been impressed by anyone who attempts to belittle their competition instead of playing up their strengths. If nothing else it would definitely perk my interest in the new Ford Powerstroke, which might be a bad thing for GM.
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I think GM wasted a lot of money on what will be one of their bigger marketing bombs. The commercials are just plain bad and insulting to their intended market. I have never been impressed by anyone who attempts to belittle their competition instead of playing up their strengths. If nothing else it would definitely perk my interest in the new Ford Powerstroke, which might be a bad thing for GM.
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I don't think Ford's commercials even talked about GM or Dodge.
All they made fun of were hippies (I lol'ed when I first heard that on the TV).
I hope Ford corp. just laughs at these and doesn't pull the same stunt.
All they made fun of were hippies (I lol'ed when I first heard that on the TV).
I hope Ford corp. just laughs at these and doesn't pull the same stunt.
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I don't get it with the whole max and al thing. The clips are really cheesy.
The commercial of the Silverado doing a "transformer" dance was really cool and a neat idea. Really is downgraded with the M&A routines
The commercial of the Silverado doing a "transformer" dance was really cool and a neat idea. Really is downgraded with the M&A routines
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Not really true. GM boasted how they have up to 97% (or something like that) new parts on the new Duramax. It didnt get more powerful on its own of course.
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I don't have tee-vee so I never wouldn't have seen these if it wasn't for this thread and now that I've seen them I remember why I got rid of tee-vee going on 6 years now. I don't miss anything about it.
You know what is the sad thing about this sort of advertisement? It works on some people.
And WTF is up with the one dude there "assuming the position" and the other dingle berry leap frogging him? Nothing makes it into commercials by accident and without a lot of review so what exactly are they trying to convey there? Eh?
Whatever, I don't give a rats ***. I want my 6 minutes of life back.
You know what is the sad thing about this sort of advertisement? It works on some people.
And WTF is up with the one dude there "assuming the position" and the other dingle berry leap frogging him? Nothing makes it into commercials by accident and without a lot of review so what exactly are they trying to convey there? Eh?
Whatever, I don't give a rats ***. I want my 6 minutes of life back.
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Think about it, the Japanese engineers at Isuzu have had 10 years to refine the Duramax for Government Motors. I would hope like hell that its a good engine by now.
Yeah the comment is almost a low as the commercials...
But there is a lot to be said for the for the fact that Ford Engineers built a completly new engine from the ground up and have it perform as well as it has thus far. I think it probably is making GM a little more than nervous.
Yeah the comment is almost a low as the commercials...
But there is a lot to be said for the for the fact that Ford Engineers built a completly new engine from the ground up and have it perform as well as it has thus far. I think it probably is making GM a little more than nervous.
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I don't have tee-vee so I never wouldn't have seen these if it wasn't for this thread and now that I've seen them I remember why I got rid of tee-vee going on 6 years now. I don't miss anything about it.
You know what is the sad thing about this sort of advertisement? It works on some people.
And WTF is up with the one dude there "assuming the position" and the other dingle berry leap frogging him? Nothing makes it into commercials by accident and without a lot of review so what exactly are they trying to convey there? Eh?
Whatever, I don't give a rats ***. I want my 6 minutes of life back.
You know what is the sad thing about this sort of advertisement? It works on some people.
And WTF is up with the one dude there "assuming the position" and the other dingle berry leap frogging him? Nothing makes it into commercials by accident and without a lot of review so what exactly are they trying to convey there? Eh?
Whatever, I don't give a rats ***. I want my 6 minutes of life back.