Vin problems...
Post Fiend
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From: Poway, Ca.
What about applying for a RECONSTRUCTION title or LIEN sale?
Call the CHP with your paperwork, and they will assign you to a Vehicle Verification officer, somewhere in the county that you reside. Normally, it takes about 6 weeks to get an appointment, depending on where you are in california.
You take all the papers to the CHP, and they simply check that all the motor numbers, frame numbers and so forth match the paperwork that you provided. If the "street rod" does not have any numbers, then they will issue you a CA identification number, which is a blue metal sticker they will affix to the door jamb, firewall, or frame of the car you are registering.
They sign off on the correct forms, you take this back to the DMV, and they will then issue you your plates, and a few weeks later, your title.
Quoted from the link below under California
http://www.crankshaftcoalition.com/w...itle_a_hot_rod
Call the CHP with your paperwork, and they will assign you to a Vehicle Verification officer, somewhere in the county that you reside. Normally, it takes about 6 weeks to get an appointment, depending on where you are in california.
You take all the papers to the CHP, and they simply check that all the motor numbers, frame numbers and so forth match the paperwork that you provided. If the "street rod" does not have any numbers, then they will issue you a CA identification number, which is a blue metal sticker they will affix to the door jamb, firewall, or frame of the car you are registering.
They sign off on the correct forms, you take this back to the DMV, and they will then issue you your plates, and a few weeks later, your title.
Quoted from the link below under California
http://www.crankshaftcoalition.com/w...itle_a_hot_rod
When you do that (in California), you will have to TOW the vehicle on a flatbed to have it inspected, and it has to stay on the flatbed in their garage during the inspection. Then you have to tow it home (or to get the new number stamped - which they will tell you you can do yourself) on the flatbed.
If you drive it or tow it two wheels on the ground, they will impound it and cite you!
They do not issue VIN tags. You have to have the new number stamped or welded into the frame, And then you will have to tow it back there or to the DMV AGAIN to have that verified! Then, when it's on and verified (and all fees paid) you will get your plates and registration - title in the mail as mentioned. Might want to take proof of insurance as well (you're required to have it to drive off anyway).
You can do this all at AAA (by walking in any time - no appointment necessary) and they aren't nearly as hardnosed as the CHP about the towing etc.
AAA memberships are $47! And worth every penny.
Cargo Master
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From: Hot AZ (Phoenix Valley)
I haven't heard of it being on the front crossmember. It might be the crossmember part number, if you post the number someone on here can let you know if it is you Serial or a part number.
Post Fiend
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From: Poway, Ca.
That looks like a proper Serial number 55 Bus. I have heard before that they placed them on the crossmembers, but I wasn't sure what year they started that.
A 1955 Ford Truck Operators Manual ($7.50 on e-bay) has that and alot of good information in it.
A 1955 Ford Truck Operators Manual ($7.50 on e-bay) has that and alot of good information in it.
Post Fiend
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From: Poway, Ca.
There's a VIN decoder here at FTE but it seems to be not working.
There are tables in the front of most of the Ford Truck Parts Manuals. In this case I'll just do it for you:
F60 = F600 Conventional (a School Bus would be B60 btw)
V = engine code - in this case an OHV 239 V8
4 = year of manufacture - 1954
K = Assembly plant - Kansas City
and
12474 is the sequence number (starting at 10001)
There are tables in the front of most of the Ford Truck Parts Manuals. In this case I'll just do it for you:
F60 = F600 Conventional (a School Bus would be B60 btw)
V = engine code - in this case an OHV 239 V8
4 = year of manufacture - 1954
K = Assembly plant - Kansas City
and
12474 is the sequence number (starting at 10001)
Post Fiend
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From: Poway, Ca.
F35 = F350 Conventional Cab (Smallest Bus in 56 "B50" for a B-500 Bus)
D = 223 OHV IL6 cylinder engine
6 = 1956
4 = wrong. It needs to be a letter for the assembly plant. Here are the choices: "G" = Chicago; "D" = Dallas; "H" = Detroit/Truck; "K" = Kansas City; "U" = Louisville; "M" = Memphis; "N" = Norfolk; "P" = Twin Cities [St Paul]; "E" = Mahwah; "R" = San Jose; and "L" = Long Beach
59576 = sequence number starting at 10001. But that seems a little too high - check that the first "5" isn't a "2."
Cargo Master
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From: South west Idaho
In all due respect, having worked in Law enforcement for 25 years and specifically trained in stolen vehicle recovery by the Federal government, I can tell you that you are incorrect.
Stamping in a number assigned by a state agency is allowed, however stamping in a VIN# assigned by a manufacturer is NOT. According to federal law, if the frame is changed the VIN# assigned to the vehicle is no longer valid. In that case, the vehicle has been altered and a new VIN# should be applied for and issued. The main point here is that Federal law (which cannot be superseded by any state) prohibits the transfer of VIN #'s. This all goes hand in hand with the prohibition of selling VIN# plates and/or titles.
When investigating possible stolen vehicles, the vin#'s on the frame (multiple locations) is always the determining factor.
Stamping in a number assigned by a state agency is allowed, however stamping in a VIN# assigned by a manufacturer is NOT. According to federal law, if the frame is changed the VIN# assigned to the vehicle is no longer valid. In that case, the vehicle has been altered and a new VIN# should be applied for and issued. The main point here is that Federal law (which cannot be superseded by any state) prohibits the transfer of VIN #'s. This all goes hand in hand with the prohibition of selling VIN# plates and/or titles.
When investigating possible stolen vehicles, the vin#'s on the frame (multiple locations) is always the determining factor.
Joe, you sound like you may be an expert on vehicle identification, so tell me. Do and did ,all american made vehicals sold for the general public use , military not included, come from the manufacture with a V.I.N. or other I.D. stamped on the frame ,or tag rivited to the frame ? Not counting the tags elswhere on the body. including .G.M. mopar, ford , ect.
Hotshot
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From: Burbank, WA
Joe, you sound like you may be an expert on vehicle identification, so tell me. Do and did ,all american made vehicals sold for the general public use , military not included, come from the manufacture with a V.I.N. or other I.D. stamped on the frame ,or tag rivited to the frame ? Not counting the tags elswhere on the body. including .G.M. mopar, ford , ect.
In more recent years, it has been a federal mandate that vehicles of all types, all the way down to the tiny $150 trailers you buy at Costco, have an assigned and labled VIN.
http://www.vinguard.org/vin.htm
2005 CFR Title 49, Volume 6
Cargo Master
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From: South west Idaho
"All American made vehicles" might be a big question. There were hundreds upon hundreds of auto manufacturers in existance in the US prior to the 1920's/30's, and it's hard to say what method of identification every one of those companies used. I do know that Ford frame markings go back at least to Model T times.
In more recent years, it has been a federal mandate that vehicles of all types, all the way down to the tiny $150 trailers you buy at Costco, have an assigned and labled VIN.
VIN Vehicle Identification Number History How To Read A VIN
2005 CFR Title 49, Volume 6
In more recent years, it has been a federal mandate that vehicles of all types, all the way down to the tiny $150 trailers you buy at Costco, have an assigned and labled VIN.
VIN Vehicle Identification Number History How To Read A VIN
2005 CFR Title 49, Volume 6
I should have put in there for joe only to answer,
, Not that I don't want to here from you. He sounded like he was the expert with what he was saying about using frame numbers only from different locations for ID. Oh well it don't matter thats okay, I allready know. You won't find frame numbers on the ford model T or early G.M cars , like the 34/35 chevy and other G.M. products. So my question to him would be ' what would he do if there were not and never were any frame numbers if I wanted to title a car ? I know how to do it in Idaho as I have allready done it. Since I have done it in Idaho, is it good outside of Idaho ?
Cargo Master
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From: South west Idaho
"All American made vehicles" might be a big question. There were hundreds upon hundreds of auto manufacturers in existance in the US prior to the 1920's/30's, and it's hard to say what method of identification every one of those companies used. I do know that Ford frame markings go back at least to Model T times.
In more recent years, it has been a federal mandate that vehicles of all types, all the way down to the tiny $150 trailers you buy at Costco, have an assigned and labled VIN.
VIN Vehicle Identification Number History How To Read A VIN
2005 CFR Title 49, Volume 6
In more recent years, it has been a federal mandate that vehicles of all types, all the way down to the tiny $150 trailers you buy at Costco, have an assigned and labled VIN.
VIN Vehicle Identification Number History How To Read A VIN
2005 CFR Title 49, Volume 6
Hotshot
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From: Burbank, WA
Sorry, Jim, didn't mean to spoil your fun. 
I didn't realize it was a test. 
I think we're getting closer. I'll let you know in about 6-8 weeks. 
I didn't realize it was a test.
Fleet Owner
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From: NM
I don't know of any other places on our old trucks where the serial number is stamped (on frame or bodywork). Modern cars have it all over the place to prevent chop-shops from doing their tricks (not that it seems to be working).