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Old 02-12-2014, 01:21 PM
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Unhappy Retired Ambulance Stopping Distance Problem

I have a 1993 Ford E350 7.3 diesel dually retired ambulance (built by National Ambulance Builders, which folded in 2000) and four-or-so months ago had the brake light come on, and the driver's side rear brake shoe was getting stuck and dragging, heating up the wheels and producing the infamous hot brake smell. Naturally, I took it into my local ASE shop that has a bay and lift large enough that can hoist the five-ton behemoth into the air. The pads and shoes were worn, so had those replaced while they replaced the self-adjuster lever in the drum that seemed to be the culprit.

This worked for a short while, but brake light came back on, so I dropped it off again. Other problems with the brake system were identified, so one-by-one, they replaced virtually every part of the system – shoes, pads, drums, rotors, RABS valve, proportioning valve, master cylinder (3x), power booster (2x), etc. At some point, braking performance all but disappeared, as the stopping distance basically doubled or tripled, wherein previously I could stop from 30 to zero (these are made up numbers) in 50 feet, it now takes 100+ feet! In addition, it feels like pumping the brakes three or four times (a natural thing to do when it feels like you aren't going to stop in time) actually generates less braking force with each subsequent pump. This makes driving a scary proposition, so I've opted to leave it with them until this is sorted out, occasionally taking it for nerve-racking test drives.

Of course, the brakes have been bled numerous times, pressure and smoke tests have been done pedal is high and hard, no leaks, braking is balanced and even at the wheels (slight bias to the rear from the proportioner) – all the stuff anyone can think of. The reason for the multiple master cylinders and power boosters is that after some testing revealed a defective master cylinder out-of-the box, they wanted to ensure properly matched parts (although they don't appear to need to be a matched set) and eliminate the possibility of a problem with either specific part, as those seem to be the likely candidates.

The suspicion is that the brake system was upgraded from the factory by the ambulance builder (presumably the power booster and/or master cylinder) and when they returned the old parts (now lost forever) they inadvertently got rid of whatever upgraded items that were necessary to stop the weighty beast, and just put in what the VIN number came back with (which would've been what Ford put in at the factory).

Research they have done on the subject has produced hints at things like installing large-bore master cylinders, zero-clearance boosters, caliper wear problems, TSBs for brakes in the same model but for other years that basically read as silent recalls from Ford (stuff done under warranty only if a problem exists), but these are guesses at best, don't seem to solve the problem. I called Ford, and they say that parts replaced during the ambulance prep done at the factory are associated with the VIN, and many ambulance manufacturers upgrade the brakes from there.

I am tired of them shotgunning this thing, and want some real facts on the subject. Has anyone got or had an E350/7.3 ambulance (or I suppose other heavy-duty application) of this era and can they definitively tell me what master cylinder/booster is in their vehicle? It seems to me this is the only way we are going to get this resolved. If anyone has an opinion that I am way off in presuming that it is the master cylinder or power booster, please speak up and let me know what you think the culprit is.

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Old 02-13-2014, 08:42 AM
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Can't speak for certain but most likely your ambulance was equipped with a hydro-boost brake system----maybe discuss this with whoever is working to solve your problem?
 
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