shift kit or trans cooler - opinions wanted
#1
shift kit or trans cooler - opinions wanted
Howdy everyone. Haven't posted in this forum for a while, I sold my '99 f150 to my father a couple years ago (needed money for college, blah, blah, blah..) Well Now that I have graduated college I was able to buy my '99 back from my father, as he purchased an '06 f250.
The truck in question is a 1999 f150 4x2 supercab short bed with a 4.2 v6 and a 4r70w auto transmission. The shifts have always felt sloppy since the truck has been in our possession, and I would like to ensure that the transmission will last as long as possible. I don't want to buy a superchip or any programmer, because frankly I'm not a fan and don't want one on my truck. I was thinking about getting a shift kit (looking at the transgo kit) but am unsure on whether this will improve transmission longevity (I know that it should improve the sloppy shifting). Also, are there any options of adding a transmission cooler relatively inexpensively? I have not messed much with automatic transmissions, I'm more of a stick guy. Any advice or information would be wonderful.
P.S. - Have a Merry Christmas everyone!
The truck in question is a 1999 f150 4x2 supercab short bed with a 4.2 v6 and a 4r70w auto transmission. The shifts have always felt sloppy since the truck has been in our possession, and I would like to ensure that the transmission will last as long as possible. I don't want to buy a superchip or any programmer, because frankly I'm not a fan and don't want one on my truck. I was thinking about getting a shift kit (looking at the transgo kit) but am unsure on whether this will improve transmission longevity (I know that it should improve the sloppy shifting). Also, are there any options of adding a transmission cooler relatively inexpensively? I have not messed much with automatic transmissions, I'm more of a stick guy. Any advice or information would be wonderful.
P.S. - Have a Merry Christmas everyone!
#2
I have debated that for years on my Mustang. My 1-2 shift has always had a flair. At WOT it shifts hard though. My friend owns a tranny shop and said the tuner will improve that sloppy shift, but like you, $400 bucks for a tuner .....not sure about that yet. He said the Transgo is a decent unit and will get those shifts firmed up for sure. I know you need to take out the valve body to do the shift kit. I think I will have him do it and I will just buy the kit. My 98 F150 has that sloppy 1-2 shift also, yet my 02 F-150 is tight....all the same transmissions. Good luck, I'm sure there will be more in put for you...
#3
Thank you for your input. I guess I would like to hear some real-world experience from some of you guys that have used a shift kit in these transmissions. Installation, for me, is a non-issue. I have access to a car lift and any tools that I may need. I am also considering an auxiliary transmission cooler, and even possibly a remote-mount external filter.. If I could improve the life of this transmission by several thousand more miles, the few hundred it would cost for these upgrades seems like a moot-point.
#4
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#6
Improving shift quality always improves transmission life where clutches and bands are concerned.
The soft shifting and flare is the (slip burning) of the clutch packs and bands (just before they lockup).
Soft shifting is the factory way of not offending the average owner with perceived hard shifts and is a combination of the PC program actions and the valve body operating characteristics.
A cooler would not help poor shift quality and not help transmission very much life under 'normal' driving because the cooling it done in the radiator to adequate levels by design.
If extra loading and towing is to be done then a cooler addition will be the prudent thing to do to drop the extra heat developed from those causes..
Lastly, know that making these changes on an aged transmission does not restore the life already spent from use and age.
There is no way to tell what extra life may be added from the changes but to just enjoy the results and feeing it may offer you.
Good luck.
The soft shifting and flare is the (slip burning) of the clutch packs and bands (just before they lockup).
Soft shifting is the factory way of not offending the average owner with perceived hard shifts and is a combination of the PC program actions and the valve body operating characteristics.
A cooler would not help poor shift quality and not help transmission very much life under 'normal' driving because the cooling it done in the radiator to adequate levels by design.
If extra loading and towing is to be done then a cooler addition will be the prudent thing to do to drop the extra heat developed from those causes..
Lastly, know that making these changes on an aged transmission does not restore the life already spent from use and age.
There is no way to tell what extra life may be added from the changes but to just enjoy the results and feeing it may offer you.
Good luck.
#7
Thanks for your input Bluegrass. I realize that I won't restore any life that has already been lost, I am just concerned with prolonging the transmissions service life. I don't pull heavy trailers, or often. I keep a 2" ball on this particular pickup, and at most pull a small mower trailer. Any opinions on a remote filter? I have never had one on a vehicle before, but seems very easy to install, and I don't see how it couldn't help.
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#8
Remote filter? if your referring to one in the transmission cooling line be careful you don't use lines to small. I'm not a fan of dong this for the little good it might provide.
The filter on the intake of the valve body prevents any debris from being picked up otherwise anything their goes to the bottom of the pan out of reach.
Most of it is grey clutch and band accumulation that normally occurs from wear.
If there is any metal, the trans is already at the point it needs to come apart for repairs, after being discovered.
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Do the valve body shift improvement as the best return for your desires.
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The mower trailer is not that big a load unless you get the loading in the 2 thousand pound range of total weight.
When I pull a 6x8 snow mobile flat deck trailer with lawn tractor on, I sometimes forget it's there at times on a long drive, as it is. Can hardly feel the towing load.
Can't see the trailer or back it up if it wasn't for the orange fiberglass poles I have mounted on the rear corners to see where it's going on backup..
You do what makes you feel good about it.
I just gave some real experience opinions from using a 4.6 towing over 12,000 pounds gross combined weights with equipage to do it with.
Good luck.
The filter on the intake of the valve body prevents any debris from being picked up otherwise anything their goes to the bottom of the pan out of reach.
Most of it is grey clutch and band accumulation that normally occurs from wear.
If there is any metal, the trans is already at the point it needs to come apart for repairs, after being discovered.
.
Do the valve body shift improvement as the best return for your desires.
.
The mower trailer is not that big a load unless you get the loading in the 2 thousand pound range of total weight.
When I pull a 6x8 snow mobile flat deck trailer with lawn tractor on, I sometimes forget it's there at times on a long drive, as it is. Can hardly feel the towing load.
Can't see the trailer or back it up if it wasn't for the orange fiberglass poles I have mounted on the rear corners to see where it's going on backup..
You do what makes you feel good about it.
I just gave some real experience opinions from using a 4.6 towing over 12,000 pounds gross combined weights with equipage to do it with.
Good luck.
#9
Thank you for your personal experience. I already have a truck for pulling heavier loads, and use it accordingly. This particular pickup however does/will not pull anything heavier than a lawnmower trailer, lightly loaded. I want to improve the shifting of this transmission, because I don't like how soft it is. I am reading into the "j-mod", but am uncertain on whether or not this will make a difference on my '99 f150's 4r70w. I am getting mixed results in searching.. I will keep reading.
#11
Thank you for your input. I guess I would like to hear some real-world experience from some of you guys that have used a shift kit in these transmissions. Installation, for me, is a non-issue. I have access to a car lift and any tools that I may need. I am also considering an auxiliary transmission cooler, and even possibly a remote-mount external filter.. If I could improve the life of this transmission by several thousand more miles, the few hundred it would cost for these upgrades seems like a moot-point.
#13
So I watched some vids on kit n jmod n I gathered theyr almost the same thing some more goes into kit ,n spacers used where springs were removed ??? But jmod u only need drill n gaskets. Shift kit has lil more $ for do it yourself. I didn't revew enough to totally c what to do lack of videos. So next question is combine them ????
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