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Old Jun 6, 2026 | 07:20 PM
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351w Build, speed density problems

Finally wrapping up the 88 F-150, l6 to 351w swap. For reference its my first ground-up engine build. I understand, cam profiles are very limited by the speed density system, but I can't seem to get the engine to stop idle hunting. Runs great on cold start, but after a few minutes, the vacuum as well as rpm start to bounce between 12 and 18". Here are the build specs, cam card will be attached below. Any help is appreciated-
Short block is fully stock
3 bar GT-40 heads with upgraded trickflow spring kit
new stock 19 lb fuel injectors
351w intake port matched to a 302 upper/ plenum
1.7 ratio roller rockers (will removing these put valve lift back in compatible range?)
Comp Cams Hyd. Roller

 
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That cam should be causing you ZERO problems with speed density. You have a vacuum
leak or something somewhere. What ECM did you use?
 
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That cam should be causing you ZERO problems with speed density. You have a vacuum
leak or something somewhere. What ECM did you use?
a stock ecm for an 89- f-150, 351w,
smoke tested today, revealed no vacuum leaks, I'll have to check again tomorrow
 

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Turn the idle stop screw out a little to open the throttle bores, see if that smoothes it out. Did you set the timing dot to dot, degree it in, advance it?
 

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Turn the idle stop screw out a little to open the throttle bores, see if that smoothes it out. Did you set the timing dot to dot, degree it in, advance it?
timing was set at dot to dot, haven't touched the idle screw yet. Ignition timing is set at 12 btdc. Whats weird though and makes me thing its an issue with the speed density is that it runs flawlessly with the MAP sensor unplugged, of course at 1500 rpm though
 
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Originally Posted by fishfreak101
timing was set at dot to dot, haven't touched the idle screw yet. Ignition timing is set at 12 btdc. Whats weird though and makes me thing its an issue with the speed density is that it runs flawlessly with the MAP sensor unplugged, of course at 1500 rpm though
Is your map sensor for a 5.8? Not sure if they are different, but maybe? Was the computer new or used? If used, did you verify capacitors weren’t leaking?

do you have original vacuum lines? If so, no cracks in them?

Theres also this, that controlled mine.

https://lmr.com/item/LRS-9939A/1986-93-Mustang-50L-58L-Idle-Air-Control-Iac-Adjuster

 

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Is your map sensor for a 5.8? Not sure if they are different, but maybe? Was the computer new or used? If used, did you verify capacitors weren’t leaking?

do you have original vacuum lines? If so, no cracks in them?

Theres also this, that controlled mine.

https://lmr.com/item/LRS-9939A/1986-...l-Iac-Adjuster
New ecm, all new vacuum lines, iac plate installed, and map sensors are the same across the board on all 87-97.
 
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Try taking off the IAC plate and see if it will control it.
 
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Try taking off the IAC plate and see if it will control it.
IAC plate was originally not installed, was installed to try to mitigate the issue
 
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Originally Posted by fishfreak101
IAC plate was originally not installed, was installed to try to mitigate the issue
Skip that idea then! You should absolutely get it to smooth out with the plate. If it won’t, something else is off for sure. What codes is the computer giving?
 
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remove all vacuum lines from the intake, except for the line that goes to the map sensor, until you figure out your issue. You could be leaking vacuum in any number of spots that are not at the engine, best to eliminate them while you troubleshoot.

It never ran right since first start up? Is timing 12* BTDC with the spout removed?
 
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Originally Posted by fishfreak101
. Ignition timing is set at 12 btdc.
Why? The computer will always think its set to 10*, nothing else.

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Whats weird though and makes me thing its an issue with the speed density is that it runs flawlessly with the MAP sensor unplugged, of course at 1500 rpm though
Bad sensor? test it.
 
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Have you validated that the numbers card match the actual cam by measuring it?

What is your vacuum measured while idling?
 
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What computer did you install?
 
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